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[resolved] simple changes to design (26 posts)

  1. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Just installed WP. Parts of the design I would like to change: font type and size, header style, and header fonts. I've looked at this page but it doesn't seem to have the same stuff as <i>my</i> css file. Can someone tell me where on the css file the changes are to be made, or point me to another tutorial/guide?

  2. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I've been experimenting with the layout file, and I've figured some stuff out. A good CSS resource would still be helpful. I know there is google, but I figured since you all have been working with the stuff for a while you could save me the frustration of finding a good resource.

  3. spufi
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp
    Has a good list of all of the CSS stuff and I use it as a reference all the time.

  4. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    thanks for the reference!

  5. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    fitzov,
    Check out this page where you will find a description of the WP-LAYOUT.CSS file and what is going on in there.
    Craig.

  6. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I saw that, but I'm thinking that it's from the previous version because it's different from what's in my wp-layout.css file. A tutorial would be a great addition to your documentation area for us newbies, I think--just basic stuff like how to change the colors and fonts and placement of items. I've figured-out most of that already just by experimenting, but I've had some introduction to php and html already (not much).

  7. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    fitzov,
    The page includes information which is not in the default css file. I added the extra stuff to show what is in the INDEX.PHP which could be styled in the CSS file.
    Craig

  8. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    you mean like php is sometimes integrated into html?

  9. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    fitzov,
    No. Sorry for the confusion...I should have explained myself better.
    In the INDEX.PHP file, you will see some DIVs with IDs like "rap" and such. Not all of the DIVs and things in the INDEX.PHP file are carried over in the WP-LAYOUT.CSS file. This was simply an arbitrary choice by the default template designer. The page I did attempted to identify everything in the INDEX.PHP file that had been defined and as such, could be styled using those pre-defined classes or IDs. This does not mean that you can't make up your own, or, indeed, delete, change, or modify the existing selectors. My intent was to give those who are new to CSS a way of tying some of the CSS to the items in the INDEX.PHP that were or could be styled.
    Hmmm. I hope that makes sense. Let me know if further clarification is necessary.
    Craig.

  10. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I don't see the point in the annotated CSS myself. People who need to be walked through a simple stylesheet shouldn't be using WordPress.

  11. tcervo
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    "I don't see the point in the annotated CSS myself. People who need to be walked through a simple stylesheet shouldn't be using WordPress."
    I disagree...Since the power users are going to write their own CSS files from the ground up anyway, having a helpful default file is a great way for CSS newbies to learn...The more folks that see the light, the better. An annotated CSS file would be a great way for a newbie to understand what's going on, and may even give him/her the courage to experiment on their own.
    -Tony

  12. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Anonymous,
    Not everyone sees the point of making anonymous comments that aren't particularly well thought out, either, but we welcome them for the discussion opportunities they present.
    Craig.

  13. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    An annotated CSS file would be a great way for a newbie to understand what's going on, and may even give him/her the courage to experiment on their own.

    I already made the point on another thread that this tool is not aimed at 'newbies'. It's aimed at people who know what they're doing and don't need to be told things like what margin:0 does. If the devs wanted to spoonfeed us they'd write some kind of manual, but they trust us to be able to work everything out ourselves.
    Like I said: an elite tool for elite users.

  14. tcervo
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Anonymous: I'm unclear on how an annotated default style sheet will hurt you. You're going to just write you own anyway, right? So, why punish those not as worthy as your obviously elite self? Besides, just because you tried to make a point that WP is not aimed at newbies, does not make your point valid (particularly since "your" point is an anonymous one.)
    -Tony

  15. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    It doesn't hurt me. I just commented that, in my considered opinion, it was a waste of time. If people aren't up to speed on CSS there are hundreds of tutorial sites out there already.

  16. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I'd just like to say thanks for these resources..

  17. TechGnome
    Moderator
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I'm with the moose on this one.... I haven't had the chance to look at the annotated CSS, but when I first started with WP, it would have been nice to have. I am a geek by trade. I deal with this kind of stuff day in and day out. But if you were to ask me how to get rid of the bullets in a list, I would have told you to remove it from a UL and separate each item with BR tags.... but that isn't the best way to do it, especially when trying to make things semantically correct. I work with this stuff all the time, but that doesn't mean I know it all. I still need it spoonfed to me from time to time. I applaud NM for the time he took to make the doc. The CSS is probably where most of the customization happens in WP.
    As for WP beeing a geeks only "toy".... I hardly think so. It is so open, and so easy to cusatomize, any one who is willing to learn a little bit of CSS and take a little time to play with WP shouldn't have any problems creating something all their own. Ever try to build a template for a Blog*Spot website? Now there's a challenge.
    But, wyou know what? I'm just a gnome. What do I know?
    TG

  18. antifuse
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    If the devs wanted to spoonfeed us they'd write some kind of manual, but they trust us to be able to work everything out ourselves.

    Anonymous, meet the wiki. Wiki, meet anonymous. For somebody who claims to be among the WordPress "elite," you don't seem to know much about the WordPress community.

  19. WillM
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Actually the wiki illustrates my point exactly. It's written mainly by users, not the devs. Users who've managed to work everything out for themselves. It's not a dev-created manual, it's a user-written resource. Any community capable of writing its own manual is elite in my book.

  20. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Will,
    Actually, there is quite a bit of content in there that is written by devs.

  21. Alex King
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Welcome to open source, where if you want something - you do it yourself. :)

  22. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Hmm...if I have to do this myself, then I'm screwed. Off to blog*Spot I go... :)

  23. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I don't think that's a good characterization of open source, it's more a prejudice. Alex is joking anyway, but just so people don't get the wrong idea. :)
    Of course part of the beauty of open source is that you can do it yourself, or pay someone to hack the source. Can you do that with Outlook or Winamp?

  24. Alex King
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Yes, that was said "tongue in cheek" - sorry for any confusion.

  25. antifuse
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Well, here's the thing: the developers aren't being paid to create wordpress... so would you prefer that they spend their free time implementing new features, or writing a manual? And it's not like everyone in the world is pitching in on the manual... it's pretty much being led up by a few individuals who have become the quasi-official "doc writers"...

  26. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Would all the people who want a manual, please raise your hands?

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