Title: Sadly, totally pointless!! Last modified: August 14, 2018 --- # Sadly, totally pointless!! * [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/) * (@yellowfields) * [7 years, 9 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/) * There are numerous good page builders out there, and this seems to be the same on first impression. After trying it, it seems nothing more than a rather clumsy upgrade to the standard visual editor. Sadly, absolutely pointless. It makes no sense providing a block-style visual editor if you cannot even mimic what the site looks like when published. It’s rather clunky and quite a poor user experience. Not sure why they are wasting time on this. A backward step. - This topic was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). - This topic was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). Viewing 5 replies - 1 through 5 (of 5 total) * Plugin Author [Tammie Lister](https://wordpress.org/support/users/karmatosed/) * (@karmatosed) * [7 years, 9 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/#post-10556865) * Thanks for leaving a review and feedback. Can I ask what page builder do you use? What is the one feature you find in it those creating Gutenberg should learn from? * Thread Starter [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/) * (@yellowfields) * [7 years, 9 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/#post-10562892) * My experience is limited with page builders, but Elementor feels the best to use, mostly due to the live preview. I’m also going to look at Semplice. For myself, without seeing what you are going to get, dragging blocks around is not really much of a step forward. The current implementation also appears a little flaky when using Safari, so much so, the previous visual and text editors are better. Gutenberg relates to print, which is very fixed in it’s layout… WYSIWYG, yet here it’s being applied as a concept to something that is not. A personal opinion, I know, but it looked so full of promise. May be one day. - This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). * Thread Starter [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/) * (@yellowfields) * [7 years, 9 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/#post-10564986) * As a follow-up, and another go with Gutenberg, it is still not something I would use as it isn’t very compatible with some of the themes I use, some of which are not current. I’m not prepared to go through the agro to make them work, so will not upgrade to the next major release of WordPress unless the current editing approach is also maintained. I still see little advantage or real step forward with this. - This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). * Thread Starter [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/) * (@yellowfields) * [7 years, 9 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/#post-10590387) * Continued attempts to use this has demonstrated to me beyond doubt what a terrible implementation this is. It’s neither a proper page builder or visual editor. No idea what it is, really. I cannot believe how far off target this is. Can’t see the wood for the trees I guess. I will not be updating any WordPress site to 5.0 if we cannot retain the existing approach. Even clients that maintain their own sites have found this to be awful and don’t want it. Might be time to ditch WordPress. * Thread Starter [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/) * (@yellowfields) * [7 years, 4 months ago](https://wordpress.org/support/topic/sadly-pointless/#post-11058326) * Well, WordPress have pressed the self-destruct by forcing this ill-conceived and under-developed approach on users, busting many sites! Continued testing has demonstrated to me what an awful implementation this is. Products like Elementor already cover this more ‘visual’ approach a hundred times better. Had you the deference (lack of arrogance) to just leave this as a plug-in for a year or more, while it matured and could be tested properly, you would be in a much better place… you’ve just shot yourself in the foot… BIG TIME! I have locked down all sites I manage so they will never upgrade to 5 and looking to migrate to alternative platforms now. Such a shame!!! And something I’m hearing a lot all over the web. There seems to be a swell building up against the constant forcing of upgrades, hardware and software, and the simultaneous dumbing down of technology that is going to create a tsunami of rebellion in the next 12–18 months… I hope! Please, it’s a simple fix… leave Gutenberg as a plug-in. - This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). - This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by [NoNameAsCannotDeleteSoddingAccount](https://wordpress.org/support/users/yellowfields/). 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