got it. couldn't get it to work with subscriber because wp will not recognize them enough to be the author(technically) in the post edit page & for whatever reason wouldn't take with the increased capabilities. so had to make it contributor so wp would make nice and then give contributor the edit_publish_posts/edit_post cap. thanks for your help... btw I'm no fan of roles and caps. :)
... I do hope to see more improvements on the title tag stuff...because when I turn on the Title field it screws up all my post titles...I looked at the title_attribute thing but I don't know how much editing I want to do to all the different files but especially plugins and widgets that I can't edit the title too.