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  • Resolved keeperbay

    (@keeperbay)


    Yet another client who doesn’t want to hire me because he doesn’t know the difference between the place where you can make a fake website ‘WordPress.COM’ and the WordPress Platform software. He automatically assumes I am going to create a cookie cutter site like Wix. I spend a half hour explaining to him how the fake website builder .com and the Platform that makes real websites .ORG are completed different, but I said WordPress so his mind is made up.

    As soon as you say WordPress they stop listing. WordPress is right up there with other fake website builders like Blogger and Wix!!

    Can we PLEASE rename WordPress.ORG? I can’t be the only person who has this problem.

    • This topic was modified 6 days, 22 hours ago by  keeperbay.
    • This topic was modified 6 days, 8 hours ago by  Jan Dembowski. Reason: Fixed the title, don't do that again, OK?
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  • Moderator t-p

    (@t-p)

    Since this not a support question, I’m archiving it.

    It’s Feedback.

    Moderator Marius L. J.

    (@clorith)

    Hiya,

    So we won’t be changing our name, WordPress is an open source content management system, it lives here on WordPress.org. WordPress.com on the other hand, is a free hosting platform ran by a company (Automattic), it’s got nothing to do with any fake websites either, it’s just a free platform with paid additions.

    Feel free to read https://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_vs_WordPress.com which has a more detailed explanation of the differences and the naming confusion (we know it’s confusing, we really do, but there’s unfortunately nothing we can do about it … wow that’s a lot of do’s)

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Brute Squad and Volunteer Moderator

    Can we PLEASE rename WordPress.ORG? I can’t be the only person who has this problem.

    Seriously? No. And don’t create topic titles like “Please consider changing the name!!” as that’s click bait. I changed the topic title.

    *Drinks coffee*

    Full stop: It is your job to educate your clients. This place is the home of an opensource project. It’s not for your clients, or for people making money off of WordPress.

    It’s for all users, clients, developers, designers, bloggers, app developer, etc. It’s a very inclusive list: if you use or visit or do anything with a web site then welcome to this place.

    This feedback is about your inability to inform your clients. That’s not a problem of this site, it just means you need to educate them more and change your approach. I suggest working on a slide deck but again, that’s for you to do.

    Clients have already been ‘educated’ by dishonest web developers, magazines and management classes. If you don’t know this fact you are living under a rock. We know WordPress.ORG is great, but those who are not developers believe that WordPress is easily hackable and fake. That is the information that is floating around the web, published in magazines and taught in classes by people who don’t know the difference.

    Clearly WordPress.ORG has no idea how to market. We have done nothing to separate ourselves from the Fake .COM version.

    Recently a client read in a magazine that WordPress is no different than Blogger or Wix “a fake website” and insisted I use Joomla.

    WordPress has the reputation of hacker bate and a fake site – get use to it.

    At the bottom of all my contracts I have been forced to write “We do not use the Fake website creaters: WordPress.COM, Blogger or Wiz. We use CMS foundations such as Joomla, ZenCart and WPORG Foundation.”

    We’re doing it to ourselves. WP Foundation is the greatest CMS ever created, but we are limiting it by associating ourselves with WordPress.COM the fake website creater.

    Moderator Andrew Nevins

    (@anevins)

    Forum moderator

    Okay, WordPress is considered as a poor content management system by some people because they’ve read false information.

    Why does that matter? Are you concerned for the decline in people who use WordPress?
    Does this matter at all for an open source project?

    “Why does that matter? Are you concerned for the decline in people who use WordPress?Does this matter at all for an open source project?”

    Yes. Yes, it does! The reputation of WordPress.ORG is important to me, my business and the people I employ.

    WordPress.ORG is no longer just an open source project. There are many developers who only use the self-hosted WordPress platform to develop websites. WordPress.ORG is literally creating jobs and contributing to the economy. WP.ORG is where future great web developers start out. Isn’t that what we want?

    If ‘False Information’ can elect a President, what do you think it could do to an open source project?

    Moderator Samuel Wood (Otto)

    (@otto42)

    WordPress.org Admin

    Why do you keep calling WordPress.com a “fake website creator”?

    WordPress.com runs the WordPress software. They employ a lot of people who work on the WordPress software. And both WordPress.org and WordPress.com were created by the same person. There’s nothing “fake” about it.

    WordPress.COM is no different than Blogger (BlogSpot) – WP.COM is actually a step below Wix.

    Reasons why WordPress.ORG should distance itself from WordPress.COM

    #1. Clearly Businesses do not want a website on WP.COM and they can’t get beyond the name. You say WordPress they immediately stop listening because they have read or been taught that WordPress.COM is not a professional website used by businesses.

    #2. Sponsors/Brands are a little better. However they want to know if you have a “real self hosted WordPress.ORG website” or if you are using the ‘fake’ blog site WordPress.COM.
    I’m a blogger. This is a question I am ask All the Time by Brands.
    The Big Brands don’t want to sponsor articles if the blogger isn’t self hosted. Many of my blogging clients understand that their WordPress blog is self hosted, but that’s where their understanding ends and they can’t explain that to a sponsor.

    Samuel Wood (Otto) (@otto42) If a Blogger is using WordPress.COM they are awarded fewer sponsored articles then if their Blog is Self Hosted using WordPress.ORG – Brands refer to WordPress.COM as a fake site and bloggers lose money because of it. How is it no one seems to know this?

    Have any of you noticed how we treat people who use WordPress.COM when they ask a question on this forum? We all get a little self righteous when responding to people who don’t know the difference between the WP’s and there is a lot of them!

    How am I the only person in this conversation trying to Protect WordPress.ORG’s reputation, while the monitors don’t realize that this is a problem?

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Brute Squad and Volunteer Moderator

    I’m honestly not getting this and I’m also honestly not being obtuse. I think your experience is pointing you to a wrong solution. Re-naming or even re-branding isn’t a fix for your problem and you’ve yet to demonstrate the community has is in some sort of bind.

    You have illustrated that you have a problem but that’s not really a community thing.

    How am I the only person in this conversation trying to Protect WordPress.ORG’s reputation, while the monitors don’t realize that this is a problem?

    Because no one else has come across this or brought this solution up? I’m not trying to invalidate your opinion but this isn’t even a thing.

    Have any of you noticed how we treat people who use WordPress.COM when they ask a question on this forum?

    That’s incorrect and misstates what happens here. When someone posts a support topic for WordPress.COM they get appropriately sent to the correct place. It’s not an avalanche of users who do that BTW.

    No one looks down upon anyone who uses WordPress.COM here. Those users end up here by mistake. Many of the WordPress.COM employees provide volunteer support for self-hosted users as well as the Automattic themes.

    It’s just that people here can’t do anything to help people there. Even CSS customization is possible but needs a paid upgrade on .COM (I believe). Self-hosted has no such limitation.

    If a Blogger is using WordPress.COM they are awarded fewer sponsored articles then if their Blog is Self Hosted using WordPress.ORG – Brands refer to WordPress.COM as a fake site and bloggers lose money because of it. How is it no one seems to know this?

    How does that support your claim that this place should rename itself? What does sponsored articles have to do with that?

    With a self-hosted site, small publishers can do much more than on WordPress.COM. Big publishers often upgrade to WordPress.COM VIP and get more leeway.

    A regular user of WordPress.COM can’t run their own ads. If someone is serious about fishing for that “sponsored” content that’s fine. But the idea that WordPress.ORG should rename itself would be a huge mistake.

    It’s just not my opinion exactly. What’s the current percentage of sites on the Internet that use WordPress? Yes, there’s some misunderstanding out there. People are human. But renaming or re-branding would be to dispose of an established name. I just do not see that you’ve made any case for that.

    • This reply was modified 5 days, 16 hours ago by  Jan Dembowski.

    If it’s not a thing, then why are programmers having this issue? It’s all over the web. People are talking about it on FaceBook and Twitter. People are denied paid articles because they use it. Outside the forum, in the real world, it’s a thing. If it wasn’t a thing I wouldn’t have clients showing me articles in magazines about how ‘You shouldn’t let your developer scam you by using WordPress’.

    If people feel it is a fake site then they will not use it. If people are not getting paid for sponsored posts because they use WordPress then they will not use WordPress.
    If WordPress.ORG doesn’t care about it’s reputation and doesn’t care if people use it than people will stop using it and there will be no point in caring on.

    Personally I love using WordPress.ORG – I don’t like the WordPress reputation. Like other programmers, if WordPress becomes to much of a hassle I will use something else. If we all use something else than there will be no more WordPress.

    Right now WordPress and Blogger (BlogSpot) have the same reputation.

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Brute Squad and Volunteer Moderator

    If people feel it is a fake site then they will not use it.

    Why do you keep saying “fake”? Do you mean WordPress.COM? It’s not fake and .COM’s reputation is good. I know people who went from Blogger to .COM and they’ve enjoyed the experience. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s the feedback I get.

    If it wasn’t a thing I wouldn’t have clients showing me articles in magazines about how ‘You shouldn’t let your developer scam you by using WordPress’.

    There’s an entire industry built around WordPress. That’s cool. I just don’t see that abating at this time.

    I’ll let you in on a not well guarded secret: I’m not a web developer and I do not do anything with WordPress professionally. And yet, the company I work for uses WordPress. The companies in my industry use WordPress. The old industry I spent many years in uses WordPress.

    Both of those industries don’t use “fakes” and they’re both very reputation based.

    Rather than going round and round here in this topic, why not consider getting involved with this group?

    https://make.wordpress.org/marketing/

    WordPress isn’t going to ever get renamed or rebranded. That’s just not a thing. I’m sorry you’re having this problem but it really isn’t a community issue. Marketing isn’t just your issue but your asking to toss the baby out with the bath water.

    I’ve given presentations to companies too. A good deck and a good intro does work to inform and educate your leads. That deck that you make and speak to works and that is something you can do. Anyone who does that work knows this and anyone can learn it. I don’t doubt that you’ve done that too.

    *Drinks coffee, I recommend that to all people*

    Educate your prospective clients. Do your best and be aware that some people just wont convert, buy or hire you. You know that already but I’m trying to be complete.

    You keep saying it isnt a thing, because are not a self employed developer so you are not dealing with the issue.

    Just because you are not dealing with an issue doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, it only means you do not have the experience to know it exists.

    There is no reason why WordPress.ORG couldn’t simply be renamed as WPFoundation or WPPlatform – it is already being re-branded by many developers in order to distance ourselves to avoid a conflict with clients.

    Thank you for the link to the marketing group, they may be capable of understanding the constant problems faced by developers who use WordPress.

    I would suggest that you start with a simple Google search of the phrase “don’t use WordPress” and start informing all those who wrote articles about WordPress, that it isn’t a thing.

    When you finish that list, I have several other keyword phrases you can Google to let many more thousands of people who have written articles on WordPress – that it isn’t a thing.

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Brute Squad and Volunteer Moderator

    You keep saying it isnt a thing, because are not a self employed developer so you are not dealing with the issue.

    Right. OK, that’s a non-starter. I’m not a pop musician either but I can tell bad music when I hear it. I used my experience to demonstrate that I’m on the client side of the table.

    I also don’t plan to waste my time on random Google searches. That just does not demonstrate anything and has no value. You can search for anything, you’ll get hits.

    Again, I don’t doubt that you’re personally dealing with this. I don’t doubt that others may have encounter this. I 100% doubt that this is a community issue and I have no doubt that your solution isn’t it.

    You need to deal with your problem. Try those links I provided but renaming a successful anything is just a bad idea.

    Jan Dembowski (@jdembowski) So you’re saying, you don’t do the job, but you know everything and you refuse to look at the evidence. You sound exactly like the clients who tell me that WordPress is hacker bate and a fake site builder. You are as unwilling to see the issue as they are to realized WordPress.ORG is the best option.

    This is the Feedback forum – I offered feedback in hopes that when others see this feedback they will post the issues they have had on this subject. Unfortunately anyone struggling with this issue will realize rather quickly that their comments will not be taken seriously and will be dismissed by the monitors.

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