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  • Hi folks at Peepso – first well done !!! It is about time WP got a new breath of life in social networking side and from my initial tests with the free version – it seems awesome.

    A dilemma for me arises with this discovery… I have been involved with BuddyPress site development, custom plugin work and themes for mmmm since about 2009… and have invested an incredible amount of time on integrating BP / WP and third party plugins to make BP work for many of my clients….

    The plus side of BP has always been yip its free, and 80% of third party plugins for BP were free… the down side of BP has always been that many of these plugins were abandoned YET their functionality required, and paid solutions had to be found to upgrade old code to retain functionality. Newish plugins like Youzer brought some MUCH NEEDED breaths of fresh air into what essentially has become a very slowed down BP dev environment

    I like what i see in Peepso – YES i will be sincere – the price is warranted BUT also scares me for if i have to migrate all my BP sites to Peepso it is going to be an expensive exercise.

    What i DO like is the FB like way it works, yes BP can do the same with eg RT THemes Inspirebook or BuddyBoss etc… BUT i HAVE found that no matter what, users are familiar (which i hate) with FB and want a similar experience, BP could be made to work the same, but it requires many plugins and many css and code changes which in its own is long term not too sustainable.

    What also for me, sincerely again and with utmost respect, hindering is the lifespan of Peepso… how do I know it will be still around in 5 years? the lack of free third party plugins also worries me as it is not how WP and BP were founded… many of us have spent small fortunes on Codecanyon and other plugins to get our clients what they need, and if we go the Peepso way, it means spending a lot of cash again…

    What is the pace of user requirement development…e.g. few of my clients want to be able to have FB style phototagging in photos/albums… which we can do in BuddyPress modded, are we going to have to pay for every plugin that integrates with Peepso?

    Even high demand integrations e.g WooCommerce and say MyCred is being charged for…. This could end up very expensive… I understand the principle of charging yes I do, but getting a WALL only free version without such basic functionality as Friends, Groups etc (like you get in BP) is in my mind not enough to swing BP users or BP site owners over to Peepso without having to fork out big cash

    Anyway… just some thoughts… pondering

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  • Plugin Author PeepSo, Inc.

    (@peepso)

    Hello @gregthebuzz,

    Thank you for your interest in PeepSo and for contacting us about this. Let’s take it all step by step so we’re on the same page.

    Hi folks at Peepso – first well done !!! It is about time WP got a new breath of life in social networking side and from my initial tests with the free version – it seems awesome.

    — Thank you. We are working very hard to make it awesome.

    A dilemma for me arises with this discovery… I have been involved with BuddyPress site development, custom plugin work and themes for mmmm since about 2009… and have invested an incredible amount of time on integrating BP / WP and third party plugins to make BP work for many of my clients….

    — That’s the main problem, isn’t it though? Trying to piece together something from various 3rd party developers, who with all due respect are doing their best, but you still end up having to stitch everything together yourself.

    The plus side of BP has always been yip its free, and 80% of third party plugins for BP were free… the down side of BP has always been that many of these plugins were abandoned YET their functionality required, and paid solutions had to be found to upgrade old code to retain functionality. Newish plugins like Youzer brought some MUCH NEEDED breaths of fresh air into what essentially has become a very slowed down BP dev environment

    — That’s another issue with FREE software. Free software is amazing, hell, we’re using a lot of them. But there’s no such thing as really FREE, is there? The reason plugins get abandoned is the same as always. Their creators get very little or nothing in return for their work and they have to look for ways to monetize their time.

    Not to mention, again with all due respect to the people behind the software, and I have a feeling you know something about this… If you setup a site with a specific version of BuddyPress, then let’s say you get 20 plugins for it, at best it’s going to be just from 5 different developers… Some get abandoned, some don’t. Some you can’t update, some you can. Abandoned ones won’t work with latest version of BuddyPress, the one’s you can update bring new functionality only from a certain BuddyPress version and with that you’re stuck at a given BuddyPress version in a limbo because you don’t want to lose some features of the abandoned / unsupported plugins.

    That comes with more potential issues. With PHP 5.6 pretty much being dead and unsupported, many plugins, and definitely the abandoned ones, are not compatible with PHP 7.X and that’s a totally new and big issue on its own.

    I like what i see in Peepso – YES i will be sincere – the price is warranted BUT also scares me for if i have to migrate all my BP sites to Peepso it is going to be an expensive exercise.

    — Consider this… All of the necessary functionality (of course it depends on who defines necessary), is created by us. Comes from us. We’re constantly adding new functionality and we will also release huge update around the middle of January that’s going to be a game changer. We not only develop and support (I’ll get to this in a bit) our software, but we also are very serious about testing. We’re always trying to be ahead of the curve. We were WP 5.0 ready before it came out as stable version, same with latest PHP 7.3.

    We’ve got a developer on staff who’s sole job and responsibility is to test PeepSo and create test cases with selenium webdriver. We also have a dedicated server to run those tests. Right now we’re talking about 25,000 test cases or so, I’ll gladly confirm the actual number, if you’d like too. Those tests are designed to check everything we could think of:
    – confirm user can login
    – confirm user can change avatar using common picture formats: png, jpg etc.
    – user can’t upload avatar using unsupported file formats: pdf, exe etc.

    Let’s say there’s a bug. Well, it happens, we’re all human, that bug gets reported. Fixed. Tested. Reviewed by another dev. Tested by the automation developer. Automated test is created and added to our suite as to ensure it doesn’t happen ever again.

    We run automated testing pretty much on a loop and latest development code to make sure nothing broke when adding new functionality. We also run it one more time before release on a frozen code. To add to our ‘paranoia’, we install that version on our own website for a day or two before a release to test it on ourselves one last time before it goes out to the public.

    Now… Tell me another WordPress based product / company that does this 🙂

    What i DO like is the FB like way it works, yes BP can do the same with eg RT THemes Inspirebook or BuddyBoss etc… BUT i HAVE found that no matter what, users are familiar (which i hate) with FB and want a similar experience, BP could be made to work the same, but it requires many plugins and many css and code changes which in its own is long term not too sustainable.

    — So… It’s a simple matter of math and value. Let’s say you have to spend 100hours to make everything look and feel the way PeepSo and its plugins do it out of the box (perhaps even with our Gecko theme on top). Calculate the following:
    1. How much you ‘save’ or ‘earn’ per hour just stitching it all together to make it work.
    2. How much you have to spend anyway on those 3rd party solutions at various developers.
    3. Add it all together, is it really worth more than what we offer with the PeepSo Ultimate Bundle and Gecko Theme together just out of the box?

    What also for me, sincerely again and with utmost respect, hindering is the lifespan of Peepso… how do I know it will be still around in 5 years? the lack of free third party plugins also worries me as it is not how WP and BP were founded… many of us have spent small fortunes on Codecanyon and other plugins to get our clients what they need, and if we go the Peepso way, it means spending a lot of cash again…

    — Well, we’re around for about 3.5 years now and it’s just getting bigger and better. We’re even sponsoring the upcoming WordCamp Jakarta 2019, our cofounder Matt will be a speaker, most of our team will be there too. Eric – our other cofounder – spoke at WordCamp Kuala Lumpur 2017, we’re waiting to know whether he’s also going to be accepted as a speaker at WC Jakarta 2019. We’re doing well.

    The next half a year will bring us a brand new architecture, we’re focusing on under the hood things like making a new notifications engine platform agnostic, so that there’s an easy way to implement mobile push notifications or any notifications for that matter. We’ll be doing REST API… well, everything REST API that we can think of and that’s just a few of the things we’ve got planned. We have, and I’m not joking, over 5 years worth of development plans.

    What is the pace of user requirement development…e.g. few of my clients want to be able to have FB style phototagging in photos/albums… which we can do in BuddyPress modded, are we going to have to pay for every plugin that integrates with Peepso?

    — We don’t have photo tagging yet, it’s on our list. There are a few ways to go about it, though. You can either have it custom-coded yourself, with 3rd party devs, or sponsor that feature with us, meaning: pay us to code it within our code base. That way, you don’t need to worry about 3rd party compatibility. You pay once, we make sure the code is maintained, supported and developed further.

    Even high demand integrations e.g WooCommerce and say MyCred is being charged for…. This could end up very expensive… I understand the principle of charging yes I do, but getting a WALL only free version without such basic functionality as Friends, Groups etc (like you get in BP) is in my mind not enough to swing BP users or BP site owners over to Peepso without having to fork out big cash

    — With the PeepSo Ultimate Bundle you get it all at a fraction of the cost. I did also mention the next big thing that’ll come mid-January (can’t really talk about it yet). What you also need to consider is this. BuddyPress might come with friend connections and groups ootb. But it doesn’t have advanced security features, customization options and a ton of other things that Free PeepSo comes with.

    Anyway… just some thoughts… pondering

    — Totally understandable. Also, linking to external resources is frowned upon here. So if you’d like to get more information on the bundle and others please do contact us via our website. We’ll gladly help.

    Just to add. We also provide full technical support. It’s done by the very people who create PeepSo. Sometime around end of January we’ll also introduce a limited weekend support coverage to the people who purchased the Bundle, but that’s yet to be officially announced. With that in mind we’ll be able to have 365 day support coverage.

    I trust this does address some of your concerns.

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    • This reply was modified 8 months, 4 weeks ago by  PeepSo, Inc.. Reason: adding info about support
    • This reply was modified 8 months, 4 weeks ago by  Jan Dembowski.

    awesome answers – thank you and respect!

    Plugin Author PeepSo, Inc.

    (@peepso)

    Thank you and you’re welcome!

    Plugin Contributor Matt Jaworski

    (@jaworskimatt)

    We are not an evil corporation out for your money – we are a small group of passionate developers looking to build a premium product which is still in the spirit of open source.

    On the other hand unfortunate money is the only guarantee of delivering a truly amazing product with long term stability, no issues with abandonware, staying updated and on the bleeding edge of new PHP and WP versions. Keeping good developers interested in the product development usually means putting them on payroll.

    We don’t have investors or sponsors (BP itself is backed by Automattic), everything is self funded and it takes a lot of cash to run the show. I’m not trying to make excuses or complaining – just putting things in perspective.

    This is our only source of income and we don’t have the luxury to donate much of our time for the cause – at least not yet. That being said, we do give back to the community as much as we can by sponsoring WordCamp and being WordCamp speakers.

    I would also like to point out that we are planning to add some epic features to the free Foundation plugin soon – that is another way of giving back to the WordPress community and making sure the free plugin has value and can be used without purchasing anything.

    All of PeepSo is open source and everyone is welcome to write free plugins for it – that’s why we made it modular. We don’t have an epic market share yet, but we are slowly attracting attention.

    • This reply was modified 8 months, 4 weeks ago by  Matt Jaworski.

    @jaworskimatt – With you all the way! –

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