Support » Plugin: Gutenberg » People are wrong, this is the future.

  • Most of these 1 star reviews appear to be content managers who explicitly went and installed something without realising what it was, then got pissy when they broke stuff. Don’t believe them, most developers are actually in support of this decision to modernise the WP editing experience.

    Gutenberg is good, it’s clearly the future of the platform and it’s actually very easy to develop custom content for, with lots of very powerful features. Certainly miles better than any of the page builders we had before.

    It’s way faster to use as well as being more performant on the frontend and using far more modern methods to output content to the page.

    If you don’t like it, disable it. So many people here clearly haven’t even tried to solve any of their problems though, they just see a band wagon and their cave man brain goes ‘yes boo change! Me and all my friends here hate this thing’. You and all your friends aren’t very good web developers.

    • This topic was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by fentron.
    • This topic was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by fentron.
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  • Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Forum Moderator and Brute Squad

    @fentron The review text is good and informative. The review title? Not so much.

    *Drinks coffee, so good.*

    Could you edit it to be less “In your face, haters!”?

    *More coffee*

    You see, when someone uses the reviews to pick a fight they’re asked not to and the review gets archived. The review text here is fine, the review title can be cleaned up. Can you do that for me please?

    This link will let you do that.

    https://wordpress.org/support/plugin/gutenberg/reviews/#new-post

    Fair do’s, it’s less combative now 🙂

    Reading these reviews always gets me riled up and I posted this in a flurry of frustration. My apologies

    Moderator Jan Dembowski

    (@jdembowski)

    Forum Moderator and Brute Squad

    Oh believe me, I fully understand. Why do you think I drink so much coffee? 😉

    If this is “the future”, then may I ask you who made your time machine and what decade do you hail from?

    This new “editor” is straight out of page builders from the infamous Geocities/Homestead/Lycos era when everyone and their grandma wanted to build a webpage and didn’t know HTML. It’s emblematic of everything that is wrong with “innovation” today. Apparently, it all boils down to taking an old, outdated, primitive format, dressing it up as something new and then dazzle a newer generation not old enough to have been around to see it the first time.

    So many people here clearly haven’t even tried to solve any of their problems though, they just see a band wagon and their cave man brain goes ‘yes boo change!

    I think it’s adorable that you think people railing against it are “cavemen,” but the reverse is the case. The people who rave about it are like the lost tribes of the Amazon being awed by the concept of a portable lighter. There’s nothing new about this page building format. It’s a regression back to the days of Geocities for people who were so technically inept, they needed to be handheld. It may have been the future in 1992, but not in 2019.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by rcnyc.

    If you look under the hood of Gutenberg, you’re simply not correct.

    Issues of UX or UI that you may have are subjective, I personally quite like the UI but I can fully appreciate the concerns, especially accessibility.

    But, unlike all the other page builders you mention, and all that I am aware of, Gutenberg does not run server-side code on page load, and outputs HTML to the post content without the need for widgets, shortcodes or postmeta. This is a fundamentally superior and more modern mode of operation.

    Also, page builders are for people who don’t know how to write HTML. People who do know how to write HTML don’t need page builders.

    Gutenberg is miles better for developers thanks to custom block styles and filters for restricting user choice (removing blocks, setting custom color palettes, etc) than any other page builder, and it’s miles better for clients for the same reasons, they’re presented only with the options the developer wanted them to see, and their site is significantly faster for it.

    Seriously, remove Visual Composer or Beaver Builder or whatever you use at the moment, put Gutenberg on there, build a page and compare load times before and after. It’s unbelievable how much better it is.

    If you think Gutenberg is the old editor ‘dressed up’, then you don’t know the first thing about how it actually works. It’s in a completely different language to the old editor, for a start. Literally every line is different.

    BTW, try ClassicPress. It’s probably more up your street and no need for classic editor plugins.

    OP so smug, I love it.

    Thanks for that 0.01s of page load boost and the ability to made TWO columns of text easily. Ohhh and blocks.

    Sorry but this is really not going to convince readers to buy products.

    Two columns of text don’t make the story any more compelling to read.

    Different CSS for each “block” of text doesn’t mean it’s the New York Times.

    What does run a business is the ability to produce content quickly and efficiently (using VA’s if needed)

    Good for you for making a “developer” friendly editor for WordPress I guess

    There is no product, this is free open source software. No-one cares if you use it or not. Also I wrote none of Gutenberg and am not a core contributor, not sure where you got the impression that I was.

    Two columns of text don’t make the story any more compelling to read.

    Point taken, the core columns block sucks so badly I’m not sure why they included it at all. Thing is there’s a surplus of good block plugins out there that all overcome this issue (CoBlocks, Atomic Blocks etc). They all have a container block and columns. I even have an in-house columns block I’ve made that outputs only bootstrap classes, no extra styling whatsoever. It can do all breakpoints and any width that normal bootstrap can, in any combination. No page builder can do that.

    Different CSS for each “block” of text doesn’t mean it’s the New York Times.

    I can’t think what you could be getting at here, the point doesn’t make much sense to me. CSS isn’t ‘different’ for each block, it’s all in one file? It’s too big, granted. You can very easily remove the core block styles though, leaving 0 CSS footprint. Also why choose the New York Times? Their design is so simple it would be trivial to recreate.

    What does run a business is the ability to produce content quickly and efficiently (using VA’s if needed)

    I work faster in Gutenberg than other page builders by a long shot. I’m sure people’s mileage will vary of course, I’ve just never used a page builder that doesn’t have similar niggles AND run much more slowly. There are a few shortcuts they don’t really signpost that help alot. I’m sure there’ll be good tutorials at some point.

    Good for you for making a “developer” friendly editor for WordPress I guess

    I agree with the sentiment here. The team absolutely should have waited for the editor to be accessible & have a proper columns block before release, and probably kept it as a plugin for longer. It doesn’t really matter to end users how nice and purdy the editor code is.

    In the end, it doesn’t really matter. There’s a (granted, quite smug) part of me that enjoys watching all these stick in the mud developers who resent the implication they should learn something other than PHP just pull random points out of a hat rather than say “it’s new and scary and WordPress was my safe place”. The site admins who got taken by surprise by the new editor, I feel more sympathy for, but since this is 100% free software and it takes all of 5 seconds to remove Gutenberg, I’m still not sure why everyone’s on the band wagon.

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