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[resolved] PayPal Express buttons and the Cart (12 posts)

  1. paulski1106
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi, I'm very new to Woocommerce after moving from WPEC but loving it. Just working my way through it all, is there a way with your plugin where I can remove the PayPal Express button from the cart as per this image?
    Can't see the option, I'd rather encourage customers to pay by card for the lower processing fees but also offer PayPal Express as an alternative.
    I'd like for customers to go all the way through the payment process using the standard Woo buttons and then at the end have an option of card payment or alternatively PayPal, as opposed to Paypal being in your face all the way.
    Is this an easy fix, if so how?
    Cheers

    Paul

    https://wordpress.org/plugins/paypal-for-woocommerce/

  2. paulski1106
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Not sure why but my post has been marked as resolved? still hoping for a solution to the issue?

  3. angelleye
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Did you ever see my response? I responded with a very long message about this. Not sure where that response is now. I guess you never saw a response to this at all? Seems to have disappeared from this support thread somehow.

  4. paulski1106
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi the response isnt on the forum here and it did not arrive in my inbox either?

  5. angelleye
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Yeah, I looked in the other threads, too, to see if maybe I responded to the wrong one on accident but I'm not finding it. Rather frustrating because it was a very long answer.

    Here we go again...

    In answer to your question, as it stands now there is no way to disable the Express Checkout button on the cart page unless you go in and customize the plugin code. I have added this to my list for the 1.1.5 update which should be done in a 2 or 3 weeks. If you can't wait that long and you aren't comfortable with customizing the plugin yourself you could purchase premium support and I can do it for you. Again, though, with the next update you'll be able to do this from the settings panel just like you can with product pages and the cart page.

    On a separate note, I'd like to provide some feedback to what you mentioned about the reasons you'd like to remove the button from the cart page.

    First, I highly doubt you'll be saving any money steering people towards credit cards. I've worked very closely with numerous credit card merchant providers over the past 8 years with my USBSwiper company. We've done a lot of research over the years and negotiated with merchant account providers to provide the lowest rates we can, and NONE of them will go lower than PayPal for keyed transactions on a website.

    You have to be careful with merchant providers advertising low, teaser rates. They will often display rates of 1% or lower, but that is only for what they call "qualified transactions." What makes a card qualified is typically when it is physically swiped at the point of sale. "mid-qual" or "non-qual" cards generally fall in the 2% - 5% range, or sometimes even higher. You never really know what you're going to get charged for a transaction until you get your statement as all card types come with different rates. For example, rewards cards with points/mileage are going to cost you more to accept than a personal debit card.

    Keyed cards are never qualified, and the industry avg. seems to be right around 2.2% - 2.5% for keyed cards on a website.

    PayPal does things a little differently, where they give you a flat rate based on your volume. If you're doing $3k - $10k / mo in volume you'll get 2.5%. If you're doing $10k - $100k you'll get 2.2%.

    So again, I highly doubt you'll be saving money by steering people towards credit cards instead of PayPal, and in fact the opposite may very well end up being true.

    If you do happen to have a merchant provider offering you lower rates for keyed website transactions I would LOVE to know who they are.

    Outside of the transaction fee rates, it has also been proven by extensive studies over the years that providing PayPal options from product pages, cart pages, etc. greatly increases conversion rates on your website. It allows people to skip filling out checkout forms and they can be done with checkout in a matter of seconds.

    I'm a perfect example. When I'm shopping online and I'm ready to buy, if I have to get up and go get my credit card...well, I usually don't. I'll say "eh, I'll do it later." Sometimes I do sometimes I don't. Many times I end up finding the same product from somebody else who does allow me to use PayPal. It's more secure for me as a buyer, and it's a heck of a lot quicker.

    So, my professional opinion having dealt with PayPal and online payments for the past 15+ years, and working directly with credit card merchant providers for the past 8+ years, is that you should leave the PayPal Express Checkout buttons enabled throughout the site.

    Of course, your experience and opinion may very well be different and that's perfectly fine. As I mentioned, I'll add the option to remove the EC button from the cart page in the next update, or you could get premium support if you'd rather have me customize your plugin for you.

  6. angelleye
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    This is so weird. Do you see my long response now? It's showing up for me in the thread now, but in the thread list it's still showing you as the last response.

  7. paulski1106
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    For the benefit of anyone looking for the answer to my question this is angeleye's response;

    In answer to your question, as it stands now there is no way to disable the Express Checkout button on the cart page unless you go in and customize the plugin code. I have added this to my list for the 1.1.5 update which should be done in a 2 or 3 weeks. If you can't wait that long and you aren't comfortable with customizing the plugin yourself you could purchase premium support and I can do it for you. Again, though, with the next update you'll be able to do this from the settings panel just like you can with product pages and the cart page.

    On a separate note, I'd like to provide some feedback to what you mentioned about the reasons you'd like to remove the button from the cart page.

    First, I highly doubt you'll be saving any money steering people towards credit cards. I've worked very closely with numerous credit card merchant providers over the past 8 years with my USBSwiper company. We've done a lot of research over the years and negotiated with merchant account providers to provide the lowest rates we can, and NONE of them will go lower than PayPal for keyed transactions on a website.

    You have to be careful with merchant providers advertising low, teaser rates. They will often display rates of 1% or lower, but that is only for what they call "qualified transactions." What makes a card qualified is typically when it is physically swiped at the point of sale. "mid-qual" or "non-qual" cards generally fall in the 2% - 5% range, or sometimes even higher. You never really know what you're going to get charged for a transaction until you get your statement as all card types come with different rates. For example, rewards cards with points/mileage are going to cost you more to accept than a personal debit card.

    Keyed cards are never qualified, and the industry avg. seems to be right around 2.2% - 2.5% for keyed cards on a website.

    PayPal does things a little differently, where they give you a flat rate based on your volume. If you're doing $3k - $10k / mo in volume you'll get 2.5%. If you're doing $10k - $100k you'll get 2.2%.

    So again, I highly doubt you'll be saving money by steering people towards credit cards instead of PayPal, and in fact the opposite may very well end up being true.

    If you do happen to have a merchant provider offering you lower rates for keyed website transactions I would LOVE to know who they are.

    Outside of the transaction fee rates, it has also been proven by extensive studies over the years that providing PayPal options from product pages, cart pages, etc. greatly increases conversion rates on your website. It allows people to skip filling out checkout forms and they can be done with checkout in a matter of seconds.

    I'm a perfect example. When I'm shopping online and I'm ready to buy, if I have to get up and go get my credit card...well, I usually don't. I'll say "eh, I'll do it later." Sometimes I do sometimes I don't. Many times I end up finding the same product from somebody else who does allow me to use PayPal. It's more secure for me as a buyer, and it's a heck of a lot quicker.

    So, my professional opinion having dealt with PayPal and online payments for the past 15+ years, and working directly with credit card merchant providers for the past 8+ years, is that you should leave the PayPal Express Checkout buttons enabled throughout the site.

    Of course, your experience and opinion may very well be different and that's perfectly fine. As I mentioned, I'll add the option to remove the EC button from the cart page in the next update, or you could get premium support if you'd rather have me customize your plugin for you.

    Thanks....

  8. paulski1106
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Andrew yes, weird. That last email I sent you, should I post it here too or do you want to respond via email?
    Cheers

    Paul

  9. joelpdavis1700@gmail.com
    Member
    Posted 11 months ago #

    Angelleye,
    I have a similar issue: With the "Checkout w paypal" button in my cart, when clicked, it will skip the checkout page where I collect vital information to the order plus other payment options that are available.
    Is there another solution you recommend for this or is waiting for 1.5 where the button can be removed from the cart the best way to go?
    Thx
    Joel

  10. angelleye
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 11 months ago #

    Hi Joel,

    What data is on the checkout form that you're not getting with an express checkout order? The data should be saved with the details that the PayPal account returns just as if they had typed it on all. EC just keeps them from having to actually type it all out.

    Outside of customizing the button (hiding it) within your child theme's CSS or extending the plugin to remove it, you'll just need to wait for the update.

  11. Karolina_N
    Member
    Posted 11 months ago #

    Hi!

    I have a similar issue!

    I want to use both paypal express and Klarna checkout cause Klarna checkout is more popular in Sweden, but we sell our products to Denmark to where Klarna checkout is not working yet. So I want my costumers to see the Klarna checkout firsthand, and if they don't live in any Klarna-supported countries they can choose paypal express.

    When adding the express payment method, the go to checkout-button dissapears.

    In a perfect world I would want a javascript switch that started on Klarna but when clicking paypal you stay on the same page, just switching the method.

    Is there a shortcode to use instead of a checkbox in the settings page? That way my solution is possible. :)

  12. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 11 months ago #

    @Karolina_N: If you require assistance then, as per the Forum Welcome, please post your own topic instead of tagging onto someone else's topic.

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