None of your other threads have been deleted, neither will this one.
None of your other threads have been deleted, neither will this one.
This website offers all the support anyone needs and in addition developers themselves hang around.
Nitpicky point: isn't the logo part of the project and therefore covered by the GPL? Wouldn't that make it free for anyone to use as long as they in turn made it freely available?
I'm actually more curious how Josh thinks this will work. How will his goals be realized by moving somewhere else.
You can make as many forums as you want. The developers are rather limited, though. ;)
Many softwares have unofficial sites and offshoots that complement and grow the community. InvisionBoard and Movabletype are examples but the unofficial sites weren't started in frustration.
An unofficial forum is not a bad or even novel idea but it will stand on its merits or fall by the wayside. I'd love to see something more like the Movabletype homepage that shows 'latest updated blogs' or better links to other WordPress resources, skins etc....
If WordPress doesn't do it someone else will. Complementary sites made with goodwill can grow the community. The last thing WP needs is attitudes or sites that split the community. Choice of forum software is not an issue to get your knickers in wad over.
I can't wait to see the great WP related support sites that are to come.
My own gut feeling is the WordPress community, while having outgrown the capacities of this forum tool, is not big enough to sustain an entire other board and probably never will be. Where does this assumption that our aim is 'growing the community' come from? WordPress is about quality, not quantity.
WillM : The requirements clearly state a link back to WP as one of the requirements. But then again, thats mentioned as being applicable to using the blogging tool.
The new forum is not exactly a WP installation. So the creators of WP still have some ethical rights over the brand, and the symbols, I guess. The least one can do is to honor their feelings :)
I think if Joshua was really trying to pass off his board as the offical one he wouldn't have put 'Unofficial' in the title of this thread. A user would have to be quite stupid to mistake the new board for the official site.
Lots of us have buttons on our sites with the WP logo on it, or have our weblogs in a /wordpress directory meaning that wordpress is in our URL. Should we change them too to honour the 'ethical rights' of this site?
There is no harm intended to the creators of wordpress, or to this forum. What I aim to do is to complement this site, not replace it. By the way, the title of the site is unofficial wordpress forums. I just haven't changed it in all the locations yet. And the graphic will change. The one I am using now is only temporary. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and create one that makes it more obvious that the forum is unofficial.
The reason I didn't have a link to wordpress.org is because I didn't want to make it sound like wordpress.org was MY homepage. I have added a link on the forum page now.
I am also adding links to important wordpress resources on this site.
I wish you good luck in your forums. No harm in offering people choices. I'm of the opinion that while I don't care for miniBB per se, I'd rather be where the devs are. That's not to say that your forums won't be a valuable asset in and of themselves.
As far as the GPL and such goes, while the software is free, and anyone can use, alter, or add to the code, there are still rights to an original code that is called "WordPress." The GPL doesn't surrender all rights. You can't alter the code totally and then distribute it calling it "WordPress" as well. You would have to assert that your software was "based upon WordPress.
Regardless, Joshua or anybody else has the right to go ahead and create whatever forums they wish -- and as Joshua mentioned, the users will decide for themselves where the best information is to be found.
This forum is not stagnant. It has evolved, and will continue to do so over time. Some people are simply not prepared to wait for it to happen, though, so this is why unofficial sites are set up.
As I said before, I wish you good luck in your endeavor, Joshua.
To clarify an unrelated point and let it rest, the code that makes up WordPress the product is licensed under the GPL. The HTML, CSS, graphics, etc of wordpress.org are not licensed under the GPL.
I think miniBB serves its purpose as needed. With all the different categories... everything is nicely organised already. And with search... you have everything that you need.
And what more... you have the developers.
Some anonymous person above posted about unofficial sites. And I totally agree. If you want to help out.... there are certain sections on THIS site that can and should be developed. Somebody who can help 100% devoted on the documentation... and especially LINK TO HACKS.
if admin doesn't agree when u want to help... then I guess sure... go ahead and develop and unofficial fan site or something. ;)
mage111 - user style sheets. Allows you to overwrite a site's style sheet with one from your browser. The trick is to get it to target just this site.
As Stevarino says, using your own user style sheet may be the way to go. The Web Developer Toolbar and Firefox browser allow the easy use of just this thing. Just a suggestion!
Thanks for the support, to those of you that offered it. Once again, I would like to state that I just started this out of my own obsession of WP. It's an awesome program. The developers just spend the bulk of their time working on WP rather than develping the forums, which is a good thing. But I think a lot of us would want them to spend at least a little bit of time making the forum easier to use, and more feature rich. It's become clear that they are not going to do this, hence the need for a 3rd party to create a better community. Just to let you know, you should be able to access the site via it's new URL very soon.
Guys I do not mean to intrude but as a matter of principle it might be wise if guys who are not qualified and specialist attorneys in the relevant jurisdictions did not appear to give what may or may not be unsound quasi legal advice. This may be a spat. It could in some cases be very ugly.
I don't think there is a cause for legel concern here. No one has stolen anyone's intellectual property or anything of the sort. It's simply a matter of a fan putting together a site to build upon what already exists. It's not meant to replace any official forums, it's meant to enhance. It's not like I'm using any of the official WordPress created documentation and trying to pass it off as my own. I acknowledge the creators of WordPress at my site, and even have several different links pointing to resources here. So far no one has come forward and told me that I was infringing on their rights either. And if they do, I will try to acknowlege them in any way that I can.
Now let's let this rest. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate. You can stay here. I have said many times, feel free to come join us, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't feel free to continue posting here as well. I will in fact myself continue to post here on occasion.
hey guys, cant we just settle down!
allusion is ok with the unofficial forum provided there is a clear indication on the site that it is unofficial which Joshua agrees too...
what else is there to argue about!
Matt, u can start a page on the site on Fan Pages/More Resources/Unofficial support listing sites like the ones by joshua/laughinglizard and other hack wizards on the line of:
This thread has more posts than that entire forum.
this forum has 400 times more users.
"Admins - Please don't delete this. Let members make thier own choice in where they get their support."
If they had any sense they would have already.
"A lot of people have recently complained that the software used to power this forum lacks the features, performance, and security that many of us want in a support forum."
Features, maybe. Performance? This is the fastest forum I've ever used. Security... WTF?
"The administrators of this forum have refused to even acknowledge the requests of many of it's own members to add features that would really benefit seinor members and newbies alike, or to swich to another forum software."
Didn't they add RSS feeds and some other stuff? Plus this shit validates, and I don't know any other package that does that. Make a list and post it. It seems like a spell checker would be particularly useful to you. Does VB have that?
"Many of the packages available are free, and have importers available that would make it easy to switch."
Easier said than done. Maybe the larger packages have importers, I don't think much works with minibb.
"It seems like the admins simply do not care to have a forum that is useful, since this software lacks so many useful features, such as the ability to post php code, send private messages, and use e-mail notification."
I'm not stupid. I can post PHP code, check back to see if anyone has replied, subscribe to a RSS feed. WTF needs private messages? You seem to be a fan of email, use it. If someone doesn't have contact information, they probably don't want stupid fucks contacting them.
"To fill the void, I have started an "unofficial " WordPress Support Forum that uses the excellent vBulletin software, and I will actually listen to my users and try to implement any of their suggestions."
Here's a suggestion: make your code validate./ The front page of your forum is 60K compressed. The front page of these is 15K compressed, and 5K of that is the google ads, so it's 10K without the ads. So your forum is 4-6x larger while at the same time offering NO INFORMATION. Maybe if you were an expert at WP or something, and had contributed a bunch of code. Why should anyone take your forum seriously? If you really want to help answer support requests on this forum, or write some documentation stuff, a HOWTO, whatever.
lol I <3 anonymous comments! Brilliant.
My whole confusion over this new board is what's the point? You can't "make up" developers, and you can't radically change WP on your own and still call it WP.
And I think this board is great as it is. Maybe a preview for all the special-character problems that come up, but the "edit" function takes care of that and more (well being an anon, you might not have known). :)
The light-weight design is more of a "stream-lined" then "featureless" desicion. PMs annoy me, there are better methods to communicate privately. And at a glance I can see what's been updated or not. How can you *not* like this?
maybe matt can apply something that adds a new image to the posts that have been updated using some cookie or something. but i still believe rss is the way to go to see if the post u want to monitor has an update or not...
I'm using the search function.
The first thing I do is searching posts I created myself.
A little complicated, but it works... :)
Besides, I don't think it's a good idea to use the "WTF" abbreviation so often in one post.
There are more polite ways of saying you don't agree.
No need for swearwords.
Not everyone is clever enough to figure out workarounds like searching on your own name or signing up for RSS feeds. The fact that the other software is easier to use may encourage less intelligent users to post at the new place instead, and I'm all for that :)
i believe anyone smart enough to install WP on his/her own would know how to use the search function... infact i think anyone on the internet would know how to use a search function. coz if he/she dont i believe he/she wont even know how to use/check e-mail.
Well, the number of posts around here suggesting people have difficulty with the search function is truly stunning ;) Your right though, some of the questions we get, I can't believe they even managed to get it installed.
:) its a weird weird world...
"The fact that the other software is easier to use may encourage less intelligent users to post at the new place instead, and I'm all for that"
Your contempt for an entire class of users is rich. Are you sarcastic or really just a snob? Thank goodness the devs don't think the same way.
so a forum that needs registration and perhaps activation too to just post ur first post will be helpful to a less intelligent user...
thank you god for my ignorance.
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