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[closed] New media upload window could be improved (49 posts)

  1. Webtaurus
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I like the new way media get inserted, but am not so happy with the width of the .media-sidebar (when using a larger then 1024px display)
    Most important information; like image-size, link url and other gets truncated, while in the most probable use, inserting a single image, all the space in the middle is just unused or showing images that are not relevant at that point.
    The fields to enter alt text, descriptions, etc. look like they are less important and in that way are less likely to be used.

    Now there are 3 very different ways the image information is presented, on upload, from the media lib and when using the "edit"link on the image in the editor. Every time the layout is very different.

    Just my 2cents :-)

  2. amandascookin
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I'd like to add my two cents as well. While it looks much nicer, for my purposes it's actually more steps for me on all three of my blogs. In the old interface I could select an image for insertion AND set it as the featured image in one step. Now I have to select what image will be the featured image, which then exits the image library. Then I have to go back in and insert my image into the post. Not to mention that the default for the library is now "all media items" when it really should be "uploaded to this post" :-( I appreciate change and improvement, but it's frustrating when an already long process of creating a post is made longer by something like this.

    Is there a way around the featured image selection issue and the default drop down choice?

  3. Webtaurus
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Mmm... Spot on @amandascookin I just checked out what you remarked on and yes that is absolutely not intuitive or logic.
    There I do prefer the "old" way, where you could actually see the featured image appearing after clicking on the insert as featured image. And immediately insert it into the page with one more click..
    Most users needed to be explained about the procedure already, since I found more then 50% were uploading the image 2x (and taking up more disk space that way)

    Also agree that the default, when in a page should be "uploaded to this page". Hope someone comes with an easy way to change the default.

  4. boborg
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Yes I also liked the old ability of setting featured image while I inserted the image into the post.

  5. chocks
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Yes! this is what I'd LOVE TO CHANGE: the default for the library is now "all media items" when it really should be "uploaded to this post" I'm trying to find a hook or something cause it's not straight forward for the user.
    Everything else: THAKS WP team :)
    There are certain areas for improvement but right now I'd like to 'fix' the default library.

  6. borantula
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I agree, the default for library should be uploaded to this post, not all of the images in my gallery. I'm also getting feedback from customers that its a bit confusing. They upload new images for a new post and the suddenly see all of their images, irrelevant to the post.

    other than that, new media is great and fast as hell. thanks

  7. chocks
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    The question (not by me) on Stack Exchange about how to change the default-view of media library

  8. Webtaurus
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    To make the issue with the featured image a little better I installed http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/drag-drop-featured-image/ on the site I am working on at the moment...
    Its the first time I use the plugin, for now it looks promising and I have not found disadvantages so far.

    @chocks hope someone comes up with an answer on Stack Exchange... would be neater if the solution would come from a WordPress post though.

  9. mediabaron
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    100% agree that default action upon using 'Add Media' should be Upload Files like it was before.

    I hate that the file info section is now a sidebar as it's way too narrow and far off to the side. I work on a 15" laptop screen, I can only image how far off to the side it would be on a 27" screen. Plus it's diffcult to see much of the URLs in the field and reading decent sized text blocks is a pain. See the map caption on this page and you'll understand why seeing a big block of text is important. Before at least I had a good sized edit window in the description field which could then be copy/pasted into the caption field.

    And yes, please allow for Featured image to be set without exiting the insert image into post window. It's causing us to do double the work dealing with that window twice which can be a pain when working off a cellular connection due to bandwidth issues.

  10. trmash
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I've just posted in another thread with similar concerns.

    I don't mean to sound ungrateful to the WP developers, because it's a fantastic tool - but the media manager changes seem a little counter-intuitive. It looks great, but it now completely disrupts workflow - and I see from this thread that it's not just me.

    Hopefully someone figures out a hack to get a "Use as featured image" button next to "Insert into post".

  11. pixelkicks
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I'll add my weight behind this.

    Though I love the new media interface, it is in fact slower than before and involves more clicks.

    - I would like the option of having the Upload window as default view
    - I would like to be able to set an image as Featured and Insert at the same time
    - Also, whilst an image has finished uploading, it would be great if the focus isn't lost from writing in the Title. This is a bit frustrating.

    Nearly there, just a few tweaks and it will be awesome.

  12. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Just want to say ME TOO to the whole thread. The amount of clicks involved in setting the featured image is more than it used to be - that's unhelpful. And defaulting to just the photos uploaded to that post is very desirable.

    I like a lot of the changes and appreciate the hard work, but those two things really puzzled me. I've tried to think of a type of user who might find them helpful, but I can't come up with anything. It's more difficult/clicks than before, and that just never seems like a move in the right direction.

  13. amandascookin
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I'd like to add one more thing to my post above. Something else I noticed is that the media upload window no longer remembers your image size preference from the settings. For example, on one of my blogs I have the medium size set to 400 pixels. The old window automatically resized any image that I added to a post to the 400 width, unless I specified otherwise. It doesn't do that anymore. I have to select the medium size now. More of an annoyance than anything, but it is just one more thing to slow me down. :( I agree with what Sapphire said about trying to figure out a user that might find the other changes helpful (the removal of setting a featured image and inserting a post at the same time), but I just can't. I too appreciate everything the developers are doing, but it's a bummer having to get into a whole new work flow to adapt to these changes that I didn't ask for :-/

  14. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I've just found something else I'm missing - an option to view a list of URLs rather than (or in addition to) the thumbnails. I can see why the programmers thought this unnecessary - you pick pictures visually, right? Usually, that's true, but what about when you've got extremely similar photos?

    --Six swatches of red paint from different brands.
    --Flower photographed with one camera and then by another for comparison.

    That kind of thing. Today I had eight photos that all looked pretty much alike to the naked eye, so every time I wanted to insert a photo I had to just click one after another to see the URLs until I got to the correct one.

    This is really a pain, and it's going to happen frequently on one of my sites, and I don't think I'm alone.

  15. Gunaxin
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I completely agree. I don't need to see every image I've ever uploaded. I just need to work with the few for that post, and I need the space allocated in such a manner that I can work, not have some pretty image browser which is useless for me.

  16. technabob
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    While the discovery that you can drag and drop images into any view on the new Media Manager helps me a bit, I definitely prefer having the workflow default to uploading new images vs. picking from the existing library. The current workflow adds an extra step to every post for my authors.

    I'd love for this to be configurable - that way you can adjust it to your desired workflow.

  17. Alicia1811
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I completely agree with all the main points in this thread. The new media tool seems counter-intuitive.

    It should default to Upload. The image info off in the right sidebar is a nuisance as well as having to now click out and back to set a featured image.

    I've also noticed that there is a hang time and I can actually watch the images load into the post. That never happened before...But the most annoying thing I've found is that some images don't load at all.

    They go into the media library and onto the post but when I save the draft then preview, the caption is there but the image is not. The only solution I've found is to delete the image and reload. This is a huge waste of time and NEVER happened before this last update.

    I love WP and every day I learn something about it that makes my work more enjoyable but these changes to the image management really need a "do over".

  18. Alicia1811
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Sapphires point about not being able to see the image urls is also significant for me for the reasons stated. I deal with many identical images and need to see that url. Not having it show up below the image is a royal pain and also slows down the workflow.

    I think the tendency to want to make everything work more like social media does a disservice to those of us who need the more techie aspects of WP to stay the way they have been.

  19. photoMaldives
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    A few comments to add -

    1) There's no need to click the UPLOAD FILES tab - keep it on MEDIA LIBRARY and drag in your image to upload it.

    2) If you're frustrated at the 'Image Title' getting removed, and added to the 'Alt Text' field (which is a deliberate accessibility feature in WP3.5, not a bug), there's a new plugin that fixes this -
    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/restore-image-title/

    3) I like to think we are not just complaining cos we are resistant to change ! For me -
    - the INSERT MEDIA popup 'modal' window is too large, meaning the fields are too far to the side (on a 17" 1600x900);
    - it can take a while for all the thumbnails to load (do I really need to see images from months ago by default ?) A setting that limited the number of thumbnails to 5/10/20 would be useful, as well as a slider that adjusted the thumbnail size (like Picasa);
    - as someone else reported, I occasionally get a blank grey thumbnail instead of the image - closing/re-opening fixes this (possibly caused by a glitch in internet connection ?)

    Thanks to all the WP staff for all their hard work. :)

  20. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks, photoMaldives, but that plugin is for something else - it makes the image's name appear in the "title field". We're talking about being able to see names rather than just thumbnails in the list of photos within the media uploader.

    I actually agree with not having the image name become the title tag, and always wished WordPress would change that - I'm glad this called my attention to it, because with all the other changes I barely noticed this improvement.

    And I don't think anyone's just resistant to change. I was excited about the media uploader, and surprised to find a few minor issues with it that I didn't like. I don't feel like we're complaining (and certainly no one has ranted or said anything nasty, which is refreshing!). We're just giving feedback - how else can they know what everybody wants?

    BTW, one theme I'm using, which is heavily customized, somehow invokes the old media uploader instead of the new. This makes me suspect that "under the hood" things are pretty much the same, and the new window is more window dressing than actual changes in function. If so, this is good news - it means WordPress could "fix" all our problems pretty easily in a new update. At the very least, maybe they'll give us the option to use the old media uploader - I'd be totally satisfied with that.

    And on the offchance WP doesn't do anything for us (I'd be surprised - they've been very responsive to making "easy" fixes in the past), this means someone should be able to write a lightweight program that would invoke the old uploader.

  21. Alicia1811
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I also noticed the old uploader when I used the edit function.

    I'm all for changes that make my work flow smoother and faster. Unfortunately, I've found this new media tool does the opposite. I also am used to giving an image a title and then copying that title and pasting it into the other images on a post, just needing to change the #1 to 2, 3 or 4 but I find the title field now does not copy past what can be seen and won't scroll to the end of the title name.

    If anyone knows a way around this I'd appreciate it.

  22. Webtaurus
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @Alicia
    Click in the title field and 'Ctrl + A' works for me to select the whole title... But of course you will be working half blind if the title is very long.

    The layout of the media window is backend css, so it should not be hard to change. Just putting the labels for fields like Title, alt-text etc. above or below the input fields would allow much more width for the input boxes.

    I saw that @Ipstenu (Mika the half elf / half support angel)remarked on topics about the media uploader being "noisy" so I think that indicates that our discussion is not going unnoticed, so there might be hope of someone looking into it soon.

  23. Angel. Heh. That's a first.

    It is noticed, and there will be improvements. Remember, everyone on WordPress.com is using this too, so they're taking everything into account when looking at improvements.

    For what it's worth, the people who have a 'too large' issue should remember the other side, which is people on small monitors :) we can't please everyone equally.

  24. Webtaurus
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi Mika,

    Thanks for the confirmation... good news. It is rather mind boggling to think just how many people will be affected by a minor change in workflow, considering the proportions of the user base of WordPress.

    Screen sizes; at 1024 and 1280 width the .media-sidebar space would be used much more efficient if the labels where below the input fields, and the width of the input fields at about 90% of the .media-sidebar.

    To tell you the truth I never even thought of the people on wordpress.com sharing the same backend :-) Mea culpa

  25. amandascookin
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Since I was one of the first people to state that I wasn't happy with certain aspects, I should probably state that I DO like the "delete permanently" option for deleting an image. It seems easier than the old way. :) Don't want anyone to think I don't appreciate all the work that goes into WordPress as I truly do!

  26. technabob
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I agree with Amanda. The new delete option is much easier, and I actually like the drag-and-drop upload and gallery manager.

    However, I'd like to see these two simple changes, and my workflow would be greatly improved:
    1) Default to Upload Files instead of Media Library
    2) Default to only files uploaded to the current post after uploading images.

  27. photoMaldives
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Only just worked out that there might be a clash with the Smush.It plugin (to auto-compress images) - anyone else noticed this ?

    Seems to cause a grey thumbnail &/or a failed upload, even though the image shows up in MEDIA separately.

  28. Alicia1811
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I get the failed uploads after I save draft, and when I look at the text version the code is incomplete, so I reload the image from the text side of the editor at the bottom of the page so it's not affected by any other code on the page then I copy and paste all that image code to where I need it to be.

    It's a pain but it's a feasible workaround.

    It happens randomly and I can't find a reason why. I don't use the Smush.it plugin.

    @Webtaurus, thanks for the workaround with image titles. That helps.

  29. chocks
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    As technabob said, these two things would sort out the UX when dealing with the media:

    1) Default to Upload Files instead of Media Library
    2) Default to only files uploaded to the current post after uploading images.

    Everything else it's great IMO.

  30. If you want to test some of the tweaks in 3.5.1, you can download it: http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/05/call-for-testers-for-3-5-1/

    The issue with the media uploader not selecting the featured image when uploaded is fixed in 3.5.1

    Smush.it has been having reported errors so that's very possible.

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