well even thought FF won't be around forever, it's nice to know the community is still behind releasing new version even with IE 7 looming.
Lol, IE 7.... Thanks, I needed a good laugh tonight.
True, but it will happen and seeingas about 95% of people use it, it will still be number one. The aim of FF, according to the founder, was to force MS to rethink the way it creates browsers - MS have taken a lot of solid features from FF and used it in IE, and yes, it will support standards (alpha transparency is one thing, finally). He's even said those hoping that the foundation will be around forever are misguided in their belief; FF was never meant to replace IE, simply to be a wake up call for MS and it seems to have worked. Whether FF will continue in four or five years time, I dunno, I hope it does.
But, will IE7 still be tightly integrated with Windows?
that's what everyone wants to know :) Let's not even get started on Longhorn eh?
Oh and apparently it will only work with WinXP with SP2 and nothing else so far. No mention, as far as I know, of a Win2k compatible release, mac release or compatible release for users not using Sp2. I've made the changes necessary to keep my computer secure with the need for bloated patches from MS, so I gues I get penalised.
There will be no Mac release. MS made a firm note that Mac IE had been discontinued and will never be picked up again. The Mac community cheered with joy.
IE7 + CSS standards is NOT going to happen apparently, so for us here, we will have to support yet another piece of Redmond junk.
Firefox 4 life!
There's no way I'd ever go back to IE.
Even if MS made IE *exactly* like firefox, mimicking it in every way, I think people would still choose FF over IE.
I really like the Netscape 8.0, it has a really nice default skin, and now if only it would allow the addons like FF it could really advance. I hated all prevoius versions of Netscape.
Firefox seems to be crashing more and more on me lately, It naver crashed on me with 0.8 and 0.9 but I have the newest and updated version that crashes more than usual.
I am inclined to suggest that posts that contain "I can't get my site to work in IE" should be referred to IE support forums. We shouldn't help Microsoft by making everything work on their crappy browsers. As long as we use all of the hacks and workarounds, they are let off of the hook. Why should they create a better browser when site owners fix IE's problems for them?
well even thought FF won't be around forever
Right...it will continue to evolve and get better.
NM - I completely agree.
I have to agree with dawg: FF crashes... (even if I like it :)
NM I agree. No hacks please. We 're British :)
NM - awesome suggestion. :)
Never had a FF crash.... not even one teensy one.... using it for over a year now, varying versions.... of course, I do NOT have SP2 installed, and will not. It's on my laptop, by default (de fault of de mfr.!) but as soon as I get a bit of change I'm going to see about getting a second license for my retail version of SP1....
I like FF as much as the next person, in fact I have followed it's progress religously - the fact is FF will be a moniroty browser because it comes with Windows, as does OE (or as is better known Outlook Distress).
If you take into account that most bloggers, and say this cautiously, will use IE you can either make your site work for IE and have it looking as it should for 99% of users including FF or have it looking great for about 5% of users.
It's a shame IE decides to stick to its own standards, but I'm hoping MS will listen and start implementing some CSS standards up to CSS2 and then perhaps patch up for CSSÂ£ support.
Maybe Google can turn things around by creating a similarly stealthy infiltration of browsers as it did with Gmail. Offer it as beta, get people invited to test the new browser, and suddenly everyone will have a Google browser based on Gecko and everyone will live happily ever after. Except Bill, who would probably buy Google and call it MS Google and use IE for the browser....grrr
I myself have been on the bandwagon since day one of FF because before I used Firebird and they are the same to me basically except the name change. I had the devoper tools on Firebird.
As far as hacks go I have never used them, by implementation of them myself, if they were added into Kubrick/et cetera they may have been used but I have never implemented them on my own.
@moshu FF never crashed for me in the beginning, this has been a johnny come lately issue as well as a couple of pop-ups slipping thru once in a while
I always develop with IE in mind. It's easiest for me to develop to standards in FF first, then tweak for IE - YMMV. I do think that IE will be with us always one way or another. I only use it for checking sites to make sure sites look and work right for those using it - of course I do the same for Opera. If FF disappears, I'll do something else - Opera maybe, though it's not my fav browser by far; in any case, I'm migrating everything I use machine-wise to linux in the near future anyway, so the browser situation will change eventually - at this point, I don't even know if FF works on linux!
Are you kidding me!?
You didn't know that FF worked on linux, its the ONLY cross-platform browser, works on everything.
Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix, Solaris, and JDS
No - I didn't know that before, and thanks for filling me in.... I've just been working toward migrating to linux, and I'm not into the worrying about what stuff will still work as yet.... I'm just into the looking at which flavor of linux I'm going to use right now.
I thought Opera was cross-platform as well? It runs on Windows, Mac, Linux (x86 and sparc), BSD, QNX, Beos, etc. In total, it supports 10 platforms.
Firefox only supports Windows, Mac, and Linux, and Solaris.
Granted...not too many people are using QNX and BeOS...lol
If you're going to linux, I wouldn't worry about what *does* work in linux...but be glad about what *doesn't*...(in other words, you'll never see IE again, and be lucky for it!)
Opera is cross-platform, but it only runs well on Windows, and support for other platforms is lousy.
Firefox and open-source all the way.
I agree that IE is like getting a free Ford Focus that can't get into fourth gear -- you still drive it because it's there -- FF has been gaining popularity quickly, especially so when you understand that people have to find and download it, grabbing ~10% of the browser market in a few months is huge.
And IE ever truly supporting standards will be something I believe when I see it. However, there is a direct challenge laid down to Microsoft: a page called "Acid2" containing CSS features currently broken by IE. (The original Acid project was back in 1997, and worked in forcing MS to support HTML features it hadn't before.)
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