Support » Plugin: Gutenberg » My experience/remarks with Gutenberg

  • I’m gonna give 3 stars. I’ll admit, i’m not a fan right now but see some positive use cases. And therefore it’s important that WordPress communicates clearly what happens with a website within 4/5 years when not having Gutenberg activated.
    Secondly, i’ll hope that all this energy was worth it, cause there’re more then the editor. Like Preferred Languages…less work and more direct impact. Please, don’t ignore not EN-people. More not EN-users, remember. 😉

    Still, i want to give positive feedback after an afternoon testing with Gutenberg:
    Here we go:

    Less is more; that was the slogan of WordPress core, right. To have extra option via plugins.
    I would kill these blocks straight away:
    – Poet
    – Images: there are 3; that’s gonna create misunderstandments for sure. Why not one image block?
    – Quotes: same remark as images; right now there are 2, why not 1. Keet it simple; the theme builder, agency or webdesigner can create extra blocks of those kinds, right.
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    Text sizes: the size (like XL) is fixed over all sizes of the website. Desktop, tablet, mobile: same size.

    The block ‘Classic’ is defined as a block, but i can’t seem to make it re-usable.
    Although i’ll think this is the most important block, cause users will recognize this one more. Same here: what’s the real difference between the paragraph and classic block?

    The Header block; i thought i couldn’t align it; but then i noticed that option in the block settings. Mmmm, not uniform compared with other blocks where you can align in the block itself.

    Video & Audio
    Can’t play this; i’ll guess this one is aware

    Integrations with Social Media
    More exactly: Facebook, Instagram, Twitter
    A lot of users will think they’ll get a feed of their last posts on that Social Media platform. But it is not. To be frankly; why are the embeds seperately? The paste-in in the Classic Editor block is still working. Why not using this to keep things simple and durable. I would pass that embed option to plugin builders; then there’s more clearity about feed vs single post url.

    Re-useble block
    I really like this idea, but i’m feeling this is still a work in progress.
    Getting to the overview of the reusable blocks is hard.

    Strikethrough icon
    I’ll see this icon in a lot of blocks. Why? I hardly had any cases/clients who uses this. Can’t see the logic. A few years ago, the ‘underline’ option was taken away in the editor. I see more need in the ‘underline’ icon then in the strikethrough.

    Beside the remarks, i wanna give a shout out to the stuff i really liked; and i know my clients would love to use:
    Gallery: i always used a plugin for image galleries. Making this a seperate block is handier for basic users.

    Columns: thumbs up for using Flex! Superb! And easy to use for basic users.

    So, that’s my review.
    Main conclusion: drop blocks (kill your darlings 🙂 ). Keep it simple; bring the Classic Block more in the center of attention as it has a lot of the ingredients of the other blocks. Starting from this point of view (Classic Block as central block), the shift to 5.0 will be less hard for basic users. Just read between ‘the lines’ of other reviews: a lot of basic users just choak in the new options they suddenly get.

    • This topic was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by  Dave Loodts.
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  • Moderator Samuel Wood (Otto)

    (@otto42)

    WordPress.org Admin

    I would kill these blocks straight away:
    – Poet
    – Images: there are 3; that’s gonna create misunderstandments for sure. Why not one image block?
    – Quotes: same remark as images; right now there are 2, why not 1. Keet it simple; the theme builder, agency or webdesigner can create extra blocks of those kinds, right.

    – I assume you mean the Verse block, and yeah, I agree. That’s a weird one. It is an older block, and may not be as relevant.
    – Single image blocks can be shifted beside other blocks with alignment, for images that paragraphs wrap around. Galleries, not so much. Cover images are an entirely different thing.
    – Quotes are whole blocks in and of themselves, while pullquotes can be pulled to the side of existing paragraphs, like image blocks. They are distinctly different things, and deserve a space in modern editors.

    Text sizes: the size (like XL) is fixed over all sizes of the website. Desktop, tablet, mobile: same size.

    I agree with you on this point, however, this is largely up to the theme. The defaults in Gutenberg are defaults. How things display, both on the site and indeed in the editor, is a theme-specific thing. Themes have the power to change it with CSS to make it look unified in a much easier fashion than previously. They haven’t adopted it yet, largely. They will.

    Re-useble block
    I really like this idea, but i’m feeling this is still a work in progress.

    It very much is.

    Strikethrough icon
    I’ll see this icon in a lot of blocks. Why? I hardly had any cases/clients who uses this. Can’t see the logic. A few years ago, the ‘underline’ option was taken away in the editor. I see more need in the ‘underline’ icon then in the strikethrough.

    I can understand this view, however underline is confusing with normal link styles, whereas strikethru, while less needed, is still useful in cases where editing is taking place live and showing old info vs showing the changes is useful. While it may not be useful to you, it is a single button that is easy to implement and doesn’t cause confusion anywhere, while underline causes confusion with just default browsers.

    Gallery: i always used a plugin for image galleries. Making this a seperate block is handier for basic users.

    I’m a big fan of the new galleries, and I look forward to seeing themes work with the new simpler HTML and create some really neat stuff without having to rely on plugins to do it.

    – Single image blocks can be shifted beside other blocks with alignment, for images that paragraphs wrap around. Galleries, not so much. Cover images are an entirely different thing.
    – Quotes are whole blocks in and of themselves, while pullquotes can be pulled to the side of existing paragraphs, like image blocks. They are distinctly different things, and deserve a space in modern editors.

    So, we’re expecting that basic users have a standard knowledge of
    technical editor jargon. Wrong, and that’s exactly what the negative reviews really tell us; people choak in all the options. In my review i gave some options to cover that.

    I agree with you on this point, however, this is largely up to the theme. The defaults in Gutenberg are defaults.

    Not agreed. Don’t blame it on the theme, while this is easy to do in Gutenberg’s CSS. The theme can overwrite the default for tablet and mobile.

    I can understand this view, however underline is confusing with normal link styles

    Here we go again. Who are we to decide that, right? Leave it to the user, just the same logical thinking as Gutenberg also will open and leave a lot to the user too.

    I have my doubts about the implementation of Gutenberg (for the basic user -my users) if the difference in recognition stays so big. For people to adapt and embrace new systems, they get more confidence if they feel & see some recognition of elements. That’s why i’m suggesting the Classic Block as Central Block. In a Classic Block, you can also insert: Quotes, Pull-Quotes, Titels, etc.
    From then on, we can build out Gutenberg. I always had the idea that WordPress need to deliver the ‘core’, and leave the rest open for the community. In terms of Gutenberg: leave the extra blocks for plugin builders. Automattic can push extra blocks into Jetpack if they want to.

    The slogan right now is: ‘People are afraid for change, but they need to’. Wrong; people (basic users) are just afraid to screw up their site. So simple is this. Screwing up their site and have to search for professional help and pay a few honderd Euro’s. And searching in Google for answers and tricks to solve things… hardly any results yet. Gutenberg is not only a technical implementation, but also a emotional implementation. Nobody likes the idea of being stuck in a problem, right. But we can really get there, if we only take the little recognizable steps for them.

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