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Multiple blogs are a reality surely? (23 posts)

  1. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    There's been a lot of fuss over mulitple blogs, and with all this worthless hoohah over MT one thing has kept coming up:
    "MT has multiple blogs, WordPress you have to have multiple installs.."
    But.. hang on a second. I've yet to see an implementation of MT that doesn't use this as a modified catergory function. Usually its something like a photoblog, or a links list..
    However lets say it IS truely multiple blogs, then with the introduction of sub categories doens't that in effect allow the same kind of flexibility? Each category could be a blog, with its sub categories being that blogs distint categories.
    Ok so a plugin might be required to get that working as intuatively as you might expect, but it still sounds like it to me. I always was at a loss why multiple blogs on MT was seen as a strength, when to me it seemed like a fundimental weakness of the architecture.
    Am I just misunderstanding the issue at hand here? I really have yet to see a multiple blog that doesn't work that way...

  2. scottb
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    That's kind of the swing I had on the ball. I used multiple blogs on MT for various functions - main blog, photo blog, math notes, etc.
    When I switched over to WP I was able to coalesce all of my various blogs into a category scheme, and run one blog. Which is swank for administration.
    Now the biggest drawback for me is that they all feed off of the same index.php, and I have yet to figure out how to significantly customize/duplicate or otherwise modify the index.php files to give me the special functions and appearances these 'sub blogs' need.
    Any ideas floating about?

  3. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @scott -
    Yes, you can add a wrappering DIV around the main area of index.php, but have its ID (or class) be programmatically generated. That is, if you're in a single-category page, wrapper the content section (or the innards of body) with a div with the current category number or name.
    Then, in the CSS file, you can customize/tweak based on the wrappering DIV ID. I use a similar technique so that posts of different cat/type have slightly different styling, and so that multi-post pages and single-post pages are laid out a bit differently.
    -d
    CHAITGEAR

  4. jemimap
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You don't need a wrapper div for that - you can always put a class or ID on the body tag itself.

  5. ringmaster
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    As I understand it, the issue of multiple blogs has as much to do with whether you are able to separate categories of content physically on your site as it does the user permissions that allow you to add things to individual categories.
    In WordPress, you can't prevent (to my knowledge) a user that can normally post from posting to any category.
    It's also of note that WordPress makes it distinctly difficult to separate content from different categories on the same page, due to the way The Loop is used with querystring information. When I say difficult, I mean that when you want to do something with WP that is outside the logic originally imagined for The Loop, you are forced to code it by hand.
    Presumably, all of this could be done in WP with a variety of hacks, work-arounds, and plugins, but it just doesn't currently accomplish multi-blog. I doubt that this is an absolute necessity for the average blog user, but I think that a few better-planned functions for retrieving category posts coupled with solid ACL-level security on categories might improve WordPress significantly enough to call it "multi-blog capable".

  6. Root
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I think someone ought to intercede and say something about the upgrade path
    planned by the devs. They have already said we will go down that route when we are ready. In the meantime a single install of WP works beautifully anyway.
    If you multiply a heap of junk you just get more junk. The architecture of MT has been putting people off for ages. Its much vaunted multiple blog capacity is IMHO overrated anyway.

  7. ringmaster
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Where can one read the of the upgrade path intended by the devs?
    I've been looking around here for some official words, not just on what will eventually become a feature, but how they intend to make that happen.
    So, forgive me if I sound a little snide when I say that I'd rather see a dev intercede on his own behalf and start dishing on the planning for this feature. How do they intend to make it work when they do make it work? If you can point me in the right direction for finding this info, that would be cool, too. I would be interested in learning about any intended updates for WordPress 1.3, 2.0...

  8. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    The devs thank heavens are not in the marketting department of some very big software company. They are private citizens developing open source software. They will tell us when they are ready but any careful reading will elicit a lot of clues. But they do not owe you or I anything at all. My choice to use software is based on what it does now. If I want virtual software I will wait for the new OS from the company . (I can not bring myself to give them free publicity by writing their name ). And while you say that the devs might want to intercede on their own behalf the lead developer on this project is probably the most competent web programmer on the planet. He is also very reticent and modest by nature as far as I can see. If you want Word Press "developing" why not branch and write your own? We will give a test run willingly.

  9. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Will multiple installs overwrite the tables in the database?

  10. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Wow.. well that was very informative.
    So basically the only thing that is missing atm is user posting restrictions and you've got the aproximate same thing going on?
    Sounds like a plugin would fix that perfectly.
    Anyone have any idea how that would work/be implemented? I'd be happy to play around with it as an idea, I'm pretty handy in php, just haven't looked into WP's backend much. Would be nice to get a heads up or some ideas.

  11. ringmaster
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You already have user posting restrictions if you do multiple installs. But depending on the implementation, you could end up with duplicate tables of users, or even multiple sets of the code installed in different directories. That's not as pretty as it could be.
    A better way might be to make the config file dynamic so that it updates the appropriate (non-user) table names when you switch blogs. But then you would need to add a table to house the user permissions for accessing the different prefixes, and an administrative interface for setting these privileges.

  12. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Well yes, my point was how to do it WITHOUT multiple installs.

  13. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Um, has anyone here actually used MT?
    The 'multiple blog' feature is pretty literally that - it's not just a mangling of category usage. Each blog has it's own config, users/permissions, templates, and so forth.
    For a single user it may not be a big deal, but in a school or business environment it's a great help. And that's even considering it has pretty weak user/perms management overall. It would be a great thing to have in WP but if the infrastructure's not there, it's not there (yet?).
    So while it may be possible to simulate it, that's not the same thing, esp for the majority of people who aren't going to hack PHP to make it happen.

  14. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I've used MT, found it slow and clunky, moved on. Didn't like it much.
    I know the multiple blog feature is useful for business, but my point was more aimed at the majority of users, ie personal users, that use blog software.
    Basically my point was that if two plugins (one being user posting permissions) were implemented.. then you'd have the same basic function that most people used that for on MT.
    Mulitple installs are a future development feature of WP, so I wasn't suggesting we try to replace them, just a way to quel concerns from people who currently use MT and are thinking of switching.

  15. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    > <i>I know the multiple blog feature is useful for business, but my point was more aimed at the majority of users, ie personal users, that use blog software.</i>
    I disagree that business is the only benefactor of multiple blogs.
    I develop websites for a variety of charities, often, they need a separate blog for a special event or emphasis.
    I know and have seen more than one individual, such as Mark Pilgrim who publishes free online books, seminars and/or lectures on a particular topic, such as Dive into Accessibility.
    I myself have used multiple blogs, one to keep photos, the other to keep posts separate. Similarly, I've spawned off individual blogs to create subdomains that cover a singular topic outside of my daily droning.
    Anyway, that's my thought/need on the topic.

  16. guard952
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    As far as I can see after scraping through the code (and experimenting on building my own CMS / multi-blogs, there'd need to be a user / blog / permission table or two, associating which users can to what to each tables. This would be similar to the was unix accounts work with their "groups".
    While not impossible, it'd also mean every post / view / lookup / whatever would need to check this table to see if the logged on user (or anonymous person) has sufficient permissions to allow that action.
    Eg: anonymous users could view, but not post or reply to category x, but can view, reply and post to category y (perhaps a guestbook category?).
    While there are lots of possibilities, there are lots of things that would need to be re-written to accomplish these tasks (read: not available 'til version 2.0). While I would love to have access to these features, I understand that they would require a _great_ ammount of effort to implement.

  17. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I've been using WordPress for two (?) whole days. Out of the box, it works great... as a personal blog, which is *exactly* what I wanted. Grateful thanks to the authors. I'd suggest that WP focusses on doing that one thing really well (there are some usability issues that need attention, more later) and not get caught up in adding complex features until later... much much later...

  18. reality-tv
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Movable Type allows multiple blogs, but it would be pretty easy to do this is WordPress also. All you have to do is install each blog into a separate directory and create separate databases for each blog.

    I think WordPress is WAY better than Movable Type.

  19. fantasyqb
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Reality-tv you said:

    "Movable Type allows multiple blogs, but it would be pretty easy to do this is WordPress also. All you have to do is install each blog into a separate directory and create separate databases for each blog."

    I'm assuming I could apply the same principle to multiple subdomains? Could you give me a little more detail, as I have not yet used WP and am currently researching which blog software is going to be the best fit for us.

    I'm in the process of developing separate content oriented areas for our site http://www.catalogs.com on various subdomains like
    fashion.catalogs.com
    crafts.catalogs.com
    teen.catalogs.com
    etc.

    I need a blog software tool for each one. Can I make WP work for this? Thanks.

  20. finalcut
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    business isn't the only and non profits are the only people who benefit from multiple the MT multiple blog feature.

    With MT I was able to easilly manage/configure my blog, my brothers, my fathers, my mothers, etc.. all from one install. If an update was released I only had to update one install - and all four blogs were updated.

    With WP I have to maintain four separate installs.

    using categories to differentiate between the four family blogs wouldn't work. My dad has his own tastes and wants his site to look one way, my mom has far different tastes, etc, etc. We each want our blog to reflect our presonal style. MT allows that all from within one install.

    Don't confuse multiple blog capabilites with user levels, categories, or anything else. It is exactly what it sounds like and is a very useful and powerful feature.

    That being said. I'm cheap and so I switched to WP and the headache of updating all four separately to avoid paying for MT.

  21. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Maybe look at http://mu.wordpress.org/ ? (multiuser WP)

  22. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    You might also benefit from checking out the various multi-blog projects out there:

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_Multiple_Blogs#Alternative_WordPress_Projects

    One that's promising for those with finalcut's requirements is Vhost:

    http://www.skippy.net/blog/2005/04/20/plugin-vhost/
    (Vhost update for WP 2.0)

  23. spencerp
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    You also have this one now: lyceum-project-multi-blog

    But I'm not really sure about that one.. Dang it just loaded fine for me a second ago, must be something with the server or something.. :/

    spencerp

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