So the original comment template from my theme (found here)
The form was normally placed to the right side of the comments, below the post. However I wanted it on the bottom of the post and comments, (for example if there was a large list of comments it would be at the very bottom of the page.
So to do this I simple found the section of code for the form and moved it to where I wanted. Which worked fine but now the comment form ONLY shows up when there is already existing comments.... not sure why? But here is the comment template after I changed the code.
Also here is a page with existing comments and here is a page without comments, notice how the form does not show if comments did not already exist there.