I will not add “read more” to the Page-list plugin because it has no context.
As you can see even Forbes, The Guardian and CNBC are loosing a lot of link weight using “read more“.
If user does not understand what is clickable on your website then probably you have issue with styles for links.
Wow….that’s great customer service for you folks. A very useful plugin and the author is more worried about what he thinks is right rather than what the customer is requesting.
I made the changes to the code…..if someone wants it post here and I’ll upload it somewhere.
I’m sorry @graftedin, but your change request is not a request, it’s a demand. I also don’t find it useful. I think the plugin author has given a perfectly rational and reasonable response to this (if I don’t agree with a plugin feature request, I won’t include it in my plugin) so I think you’re picking a fight for no reason. If you’ve made the update for yourself, well done, but please don’t blame the author for not implementing your request. This is not the nature of the web.
It doesn’t take much research to find that “read more” links are both poor accessibility and poor SEO. But hey, don’t let me stop an “expert” like you doing what you feel is best. It’s your website, if you want to downgrade your own SEO by adding repetitive, non-semantic links, then go for it.
(Disclosure: I am in no way related to this plugin, I was just looking for a sitemap plugin and came across your comments and felt I had to defend the author.)
tgd
(@terrydaisydesignsca)
Seriously? This is a support forum, not a place for bickering. And don’t forget, this plugin is a Sitemap, which by definition is a list of links. If your page is titled ‘Sitemap’ it would be expected to include links to site pages. Then, why the need for ‘read more’ links anyway. The links are already there. Case closed.
This topic is only half of the story.
User @graftedin also punished me with 1-star rating for declining his feature-request.
And also @graftedin told me that he will update the rating if I will add feature to the plugin.
If you want my code and will add it to your version you can have it and I’ll change my review.
Andrew Nevins
(@anevins)
WCLDN 2018 Contributor | Volunteer support
Why is someone using the WordPress.org forums regarding a commercial service to begin with? @webvitaly, Please forward these people onto which ever private support service you use.
My issue was not that he denied the request. My issue was in how he said no. I often have to tell clients no and the skill in which I say no makes a huge difference on that customer staying happy.
I made a reasonable request for something that is in the scope of a page list that currently includes photos, titles, excerpts, allows for sorting, and all sorts of other bells and whistles. He immediately dug his heals in and said “I will not…” Most of my clients would fire me pretty quickly if I responded that way.
I understand that in the lofty realms of seo correctness that more links are bad. But down here on Earth, in the trenches of the internet, I build sites for real people…..not search engines. I build sites based on my audience. If I think my visitors will be a bunch of internet savvy, tech heads….I’ll skip the more link. If I’m going to have a bunch of grandmothers that have hard time even finding the power button….I’m going to put in a more link because I know they will need the extra help with figuring out where to click.
I made the bad review because people considering using this plugin need to know how you handle feature requests. They need to know that good, reasonable ideas will likely be shot down right away. They need to know that and a bad review will stick out more than average one.
Andrew Nevins
(@anevins)
WCLDN 2018 Contributor | Volunteer support
My issue was in how he said no.
I’m not sure I see the shooting down of your ideas, I see it being discussed. You began with asking the author to cite what he based his decision on from a previous request. The author replied and cited the resources. Then it seemed like the conversation ended on your second post, “Wow….that’s great customer service for you folks”.
I also want to say that communicating on the forums is difficult because it’s just plain text. You can easily read text in a way that you might find terse and arrogant, but that’s just an interpretation that can change on the mood you’re feeling.
I often have to tell clients no and the skill in which I say no makes a huge difference on that customer staying happy.
You can fork the plugin. It’s on the SVN plugin repository at WordPress.org and the author might have it on Github for convenience.
It’s clear that you both disagree on the importance (or lack of) of the “read more” link.
This conversation shouldn’t have happened on the WordPress.org forums. Find the website that sold you the service you’re having an issue with and continue it there.
I also agree with graftedin that it would be very useful to have this feature, especially with pagelist_ext shortcode. I don’t think it’s entirely intuitive to web users, especially older ones, to click only on the title. It’s very useful to have a “Read More” link after the excerpt since that’s the natural linear connection the user will make if they’d like to see more on the topic.
I’d recommend making it an option for the pagelist_ext portion of this plugin. You don’t have to make it default, just give the user the option for it.
@klattr1: Try to contact @graftedin. He already added read-more feature to his fork of the plugin and maybe he will share it with you.
@klattr1… Let me know if you want.
@graftedin I would like the code that includes the read more link 🙂
