• I am a newbie so I might be mistaken but here is my note.

    ADD IMAGE WORKS NICELY BUT CAN BE IMPROVED. The “media library” fails to save a blank “title” or “hyperlink” field. For logos or purely decorative images, you may NOT want a hyperlink. Or a tool tip to show when the image is hovered. To remove the tool tip, put a period in the title field, or leave it blank. But if you leave it blank, the “media library” will fill it in again. So I put in a period which is acceptable.

    Also note that if you leave the title blank, then in Explorer, the “alternate text” field may show instead. Therefore if you DO want alternate text but DO NOT want a tool tip, certainly leave a period.

    Also consider that “alt text” is not the “must have” it is often cracked up to be. If the image fails to download, the alternate text will show, which sometimes is good but sometimes bad. I.e. many of my pages are decorated with “the earth.” If they end up a blank square it’s not so bad. But real puzzling for people to see the words “the earth” floating in nowhere like loose text. Fortunately the media library WILL remember a blank “alternate text” field!

    So the most nuisance is only that the media library should remember a “no hyperlink” setting. One less button to click would be nice. Yes, that “no hyperlink” button is handy so I may survive. but please understand, it is not really the click but the “remembering to click” that is a nuisance!

    P.S. Blind people using oral readers might get real annoyed, I suspect, when they repeatedly bump up against unnecessary hyperlinks–caused by the author forgetting or to delete the hyperlink field–or maybe just feeling a bit annoyed or lazy himself deleting something which the media library keeps insisting to put back. Not a big deal perhaps, but no reason for it.

    Anyway, great work whomever on the Media Library. It really works nicely overall. Especially how I can upload without leaving the edit screen, and this automatically is added to the library!

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  • If you use the HTML tab instead of the Visual Editor, you can remove the alt attribute value manually.

    Thread Starter krystofo

    (@krystofo)

    Thank you for the suggestion, Esmi. But I don’t want to remove the value. Everything that I want, the ‘add image’ already does in visual mode. I only want one less click, and one less thing to remember, when I post numerous little decorations that should NOT have a hyperlink… So I am not asking for a new capability. Just to make the existing capability a tiny bit smoother.

    P.S. Blind people using oral readers might get real annoyed, I suspect, when they repeatedly bump up against unnecessary hyperlinks. (But I am not blind so I don’t know for sure.)

    when I post numerous little decorations

    If you want to do this properly, then you shouldn’t be adding these images via your post content. They should be added via your CSS.

    If you insist upon adding them via the post content, you have the option to not add hyperlinks at the insertion point. And you can remove the alt attribute if the images are purely decorative. Creating an accessible site requires that you take some responsibility for your content and do not leave everything up to generic software that has to cover all eventualities.

    FWIW, visually impaired users often use Link Lists in their screen reader software (most notably JAWS) to allow them to pick & choose which links to follow. If you do link to an image & provide a descriptive alt text, they will be fully aware (via this list) of where the link leads to and whether it is of any use to them.

    Thread Starter krystofo

    (@krystofo)

    Thank you Esmi. Glad you know something about oral readers. Eventually I need to spend some time at accessibility sites asking questions. Although visually impaired people may be a minority, I believe the internet is an imporant window for them, and not what it could be.

    But no, CSS cannot be used to post images any more easily than what I do, nor for the individual feel with which I do it. The Add Image interface is totally adequate and almost perfect.

    But basically, even not considering oral readers, I just don’t want hyperlinks strewn about. But in fact, I ended up creating a dozen hyperlinked images before I realized what was happening. And I am no expert, but I am above average for bloggers understanding webdesign. Being able to run a site knowing nothing is mostly what WordPress is about, my opinion. So my respects to you, if you do not sympathize with my concern about unnecessary hyperlinks. But if you do sympathize, I cannot agree that telling people to learn proper CSS is better than a simple software tweak.

    Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)

    (@ipstenu)

    🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

    The “media library” fails to save a blank “title” or “hyperlink” field.

    You can remove the hyperlink field. Just click ‘None’ under “Link URL” – I use that all the time, works fine.

    You should always add a title to an image for good HTML, which will make blind visitors happy 🙂

    Thread Starter krystofo

    (@krystofo)

    You can remove the hyperlink field. Just click ‘None’ under “Link URL” – I use that all the time, works fine.

    Yes I was saying that Ipstenu. And honored to have you here. But please understand, I posted a dozen hyperlinks before I understood what was happening. And it might seem silly to you, but it would just be nice if I did not need to “remember” to push the “none” button for hyperlinks.

    And I suspect thousands of bloggers do not come this far in their understanding. The Add image make a hyperlink by default. So it’s done. Why?

    You should always add a title to an image for good HTML, which will make blind visitors happy 🙂 .

    PS–oops i think you are right. Title yes, but alt text no! will do!

    I got confused when I saw the words “the earth” floating in my page. Took awhile even for me to figure out “what on earth” that was about. But that is “alt text,” not title.

    As for title–I was just slightly annoyed at the hover effect, seems annoying and unnecessary for decorations. But yes, now I understand this adds interest for blind people, and generally not even noticed by ohers. So I will put it back in! Thank you Ipstenu.

    But to hyperlink images by default–and not even be able to adjust that default, is not the best! As I still think, and as I asked for here, primarily.

    Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)

    (@ipstenu)

    🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

    Pst, use <blockquote>text I quote</blockquote> instead of all those quote-marks 😉

    I use both Title AND Alt, since they’re slightly different things, but title is preferable to the blind. Alt is preferable to xkcd readers.

    it would just be nice if I did not need to “remember” to push the “none” button for hyperlinks.

    Once you push it, it should remember your preference for none. Mine does. The problem is that if you change your mind, say for one post, it remembers that. Basically it remembers what you last picked, and if that changes, then it does.

    If it’s not, you can force it… Hit up example.com/wp-admin/options.php

    Scroll down until you see image_default_link_type and set as appropriate (it’s file, post or none)

    There’;s more info on this here: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/insert-image-default-to-no-link?replies=10

    (IIRC, surveys show that more people want it linking by default, so there we are)

    Thread Starter krystofo

    (@krystofo)

    (P.S.–ESMI now says that nonvisual readers do NOT like unnecessary title tags. (See below.) So I am reversing the decision to put them in!)

    Once you push it, it should remember your preference for none. Mine does.

    Aha! So we actually agree!

    But no, my add image -> Media Library does not remember “none” for hyperlink. I tried both ways: “save all changes” and also “add to post.” WordPress 3.2.1 with Weaver 2.2.6.

    (IIRC, surveys show that more people want it linking by default, so there we are)

    I am not arguing with that! Just saying, we should be able easily to change that default. And according to you, we ARE able, the media library DOES remember…

    So if my “none for hyperlink” is still not working tomorrow, thank you for the tweak references! Will do. I will report here again if I am unable to fix it with your references. Thank you!

    You should always add a title to an image for good HTML, which will make blind visitors happy

    Um… not always. Many JAWS users run their software in non-verbose mode – which ignores all title attributes. This is precisely because most web pages are overloaded with useless title tags. In screen reader software, that equates to way too much noise as opposed to signal. In this respect, I do think the Media Library has gotten it wrong. Title attributes should not be added to images by default. There’s simply no real need for them amongst sighted users and many screen reader users won’t even get to hear them.

    If you have important info that you need to relay to screen reader users, then use the alt text. That’s what it is there for.

    Thread Starter krystofo

    (@krystofo)

    Um… not always. Many JAWS users run their software in non-verbose mode – which ignores all title attributes.

    Aha! An unexpected ally. So I was right the first time? Thank you Esmi. In addition, I find it especially refreshing whenever someone says a convention is wrong, especially when they are clearly right.

    I was just about to go back and put in unnecessary “Title” attributes. Guess I will leave them out.

    P.S. I would LIKE to leave the “title” attribute blank. But no can do. the media library fills it back in. So I am putting a period. (.) I hope this is not annoying to oral readers? But about the best I can do. If I erase the period, then next time the media library fills in the name.gif.

    This makes me feel a bit like I am rolling a stone uphill. It may be a small thing, but the advantage of computers is to adapt to people, not people to computers. This world ignores that fact too often, my opinion.

    If you have important info that you need to relay to screen reader users, then use the alt text. That’s what it is there for.

    Sorry, I think I disagree here. The Mozilla/firefox people are very adamant about using “proper” title attributes. That’s why firefox does not show tooltip unless you use Title. For important info, use title, not alt. Alt is only to explain what should be there, if it does not show up, or for oral readers. I am not sure, but think maybe Firefox people are correct.

    By the way, I try to include numerous h3 tags to summarize each paragraph. If everyone did this, I think oral readers could be set to read only h3 tags and thus quickly get the entire sense of a page. Great for search engines too.

    Meanwhile for visual pleasance, I use custom CSS to make h3 look like any <p>. It’s just traditional journalism to try to summarize each paragraph in the first sentence. Online media is less space-limited and breathes better with a few extra spaces. So the traditional “first sentence” of paper media becomes a one-word paragraph in my blogs. Excellent journalism and excellent SEO and potentially excellent for oral readers, in my opinion. Maybe this is not a convention now but I think it should be. Just my idea.

    So I am putting a period. (.) I hope this is not annoying to oral readers?

    If you don’t want to remove the title attribute manually, that’s not a bad solution. But it does have one disadvantage for you – if you ever want to locate (or edit) an image, you may find that problematic with a whole stack of images all called “.” in your Media Library.

    FWIW, if we can ever get http://make.wordpress.org/accessibility/ rolling, the removal of the title attribute from images is one of the things I’d like to push for. In fact, I may use this topic to see if I can springboard a discussion on the subject.

    This world ignores that fact too often, my opinion.

    I agree but unlike so many coding problems, accessibility issues are rarely black or white – which means that some of the core devs may have problems trying to get a handle on them.

    Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)

    (@ipstenu)

    🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

    Learn something new every day! Thank you, esmi! I thought that we forced title (instead of alt) because of accessibility!

    I can understand forcing Title internally for the Media Library but not in the markup. It may have originally been an effort to improve accessibility for image links that should have had an alt text attribute but didn’t. But in reality, it’s useless at best and can actually create a problem at worst (depending upon how your assistive software is configured).

    I’m trying to figure out the best way to submit a request for it’s removal. Not sure if Trac is the best route as it’s not actually a bug per se. More of an unwanted “feature”.

    Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)

    (@ipstenu)

    🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

    I’d put it in trac as an accessibility bug, with that in mind.

    “Title in media conflicts with assistive software <like foobar, bazzot, etc>. Alt is more commonly used, and more ‘correct’ for disabled visitors. While Title is certainly needed for the media library itself, it should be removed, if possible, from media insertion and replaced with ‘alt’ for maximum compatibility with accessibility.”

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