Support » Plugin: WooCommerce » Just not good enough. Going back to Magento

  • I jumped ship from Magento to Woocommerce, becuase of the ease of developing bits and pieces for it, all the wordpress bells and whistles i could integrate with it etc, It was never close in functionality… but it was good enough.

    Now? 4 years later I am going back.

    a. It needs about another 15 plugins to reach basic functionality with Magento.
    b. Often times, these plugins slow things down and conflict with each other.
    c. WordPress is just not meant for ecommerce. Its not an efficient structure for products and categories and it just doesnt work very well.
    d. Wow is it expensive now! I have to pay a yearly fee for my plugins vs a once of fee with Magento?
    e. Its not scalable to thousands of products. It justnt cut it.

    So in the end? Cost and ease to develop is gone, its slow and underpowered and ongoing costs are terribly high.

    Its too high a sell to my clients, I am back at Magento as of this week.

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  • Hi nippi9… So, this is a ‘WordPress’ forum. It’s probably not fair for you to rate WooCommerce at 2 stars because you feel as if a ‘Non-WordPress’ solution is better.

    Also, you said, “WordPress is just not meant for ecommerce. Its not an efficient structure for products and categories and it just doesnt work very well.” I disagree. When I chose the structure for my website, I picked WooCommerce and WordPress over Magento even though Magento was a little more popular. The reason for my decision was because WP was (and is) growing in popularity exponentially in all areas–Magento is not. For instance:
    75 million websites utilize WordPress
    47 percent of all CMS websites use WordPress
    14 percent of the top 10,000 most trafficked CMS websites
    22 percent of all websites in the world
    48 percent of the top 100 blogs use WordPress
    13 percent of all ecommerce sites use WooCommerce (a WordPress plugin), more than any other system
    WordPress is translated into 40 language
    WordPress.com gets more unique visitors than Amazon.com
    29,000 WordPress plugins with 300 million downloads
    – I found these stats at: http://www.sunriseadvertising.com/wordpress-is-winning/#sthash.4VTeX0oe.dpuf but other websites confirm the numbers.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I believe WooCommerce does everything I need. You can check out my site at [Link redacted]. Is there something that my e-commerce site is missing that Magento would do for me? If so, I’d like to know.

    My 2 stars could as easily have been simply because out of the box, its not good enough, and to get it to do the things many other shopping cart systems do natively, i need to pay about $1000 YEARLY to woothemes for their plugins. Many, which simply dont work. Or use non woothemes plugins like search by SKU which just screw the whole search up.

    You making an appeal to popularity as why I should not call it how it is?

    Its got poor integration with point of sale and accounting software, poor integration with eparcel(australia) etc all things that are just done and dusted in Magento. Magento would provide you with visual availability of your attributes, size and colour. And it would be faster and connect to external API’s better as its database structure just makes sense. It has a products table! Not a modified, bastardised posts table.

    If you have a large webstore, the backend needs to be fast and you need rock solid inventory syncing with your offline sales. You don’t get this with woocommerce.

    Woocommerce, is just a pretend, shitty, very expensive system these days. Its like free phone game, that sucks you in, then makes you buy all these in-game ad dons or you cant get through it.

    Nippi9’s comment:

    You making an appeal to popularity as why I should not call it how it is?

    If you read my post, I said that WordPress’ popularity was a factor
    “when I chose the structure for my website.” On the contrary, I’m not trying to convince Nippi9 of anything. I realize his/her mind is closed. Yet in my opinion (and for the benefit of others reading this review), I went with the WordPress option because high popularity attracts more developers, which fosters more competition, which equals better functionality for less money. It works the other way with decreasing popularity.

    Furthermore, WooCommerce does not cost me $1000.00 a year. My Baron Air t-shirt shop, which you can see [Link redacted] uses the following WooCommerce plugins:

    WooThemes Canvas — $99.00 Note: I could have used a free theme, but I liked the design flexibility of the Canvas theme.

    Product Add-Ons — $49.00 Note: This allows me to have input boxes so customers can customize their orders.

    CSV Import — $199.00 Note: This isn’t essential, but it certainly saves me time over typing the products into WordPress individually.

    Catalog Visibility Options — $49.00 Note: This isn’t essential, but it allows me to put my shop in Vacation Mode when I want to.

    PayPal Express — $79.00 Note: This was essential because I use it as my payment gateway. The advantage for me was that it collects payment at the PayPal site so I don’t have to bother with SSL on my site.

    WooCommerce — Free

    Google Analytics Integration — Free

    Product Archive Customizer — Free

    WooDojo — Free

    I also use other (mostly free) non-WooThemes plugins which I did not list. Anyway, that comes to $475.00 total. But I actually bought this stuff during WooThemes’ half-off, birthday celebration so it cost me $237.50. According to WooThemes, I’m not required to pay for the plugins every year–only if I want continued WooThemes support and updates. Also, they told me that the renewal fee was typically 50% off the regular price. The support is worth a couple hundred dollars a year.

    When I checked into Magento, I couldn’t even discover what the package would cost. They wanted me to contact them for a quote. That left me with the ‘if you have to ask, you can’t afford it’ impression. Also, I wanted a blog along with an e-commerce site and no one does blogs better than WordPress.

    Best regards,
    Ric Esrey
    [Signature moderated]

    Nice work advertising your site Ric. My clients need all the plugins you have plus

    a. Eparcel plugin.(FINALLY one hits the market, just this week. Magento had had one for years)
    b. Fancy Coupon Plugin.
    c. Multi image per variation plugin.
    d. pip plugin.
    e. Rewards plugin.
    f. wholesale plugin.
    g. WOocommerce instagram
    h. Grouped products plugin

    etc etc etc

    What… you contacted Magento for a quote? You could have just downlaoded it and installed it. What… you wanted them to provide you with free consulting as to your needs? And they said no? Really?

    I am curious on the “my mind is closed” position. I prefer to to think of it as “My mind is now with Magento after doing an exhaustive cost and feature analysis, speed testing and seeing if at the end of the day WOOcommerce could work for large ecommerce solutions.”

    It doesn’t. I cant

    Ok.. you sell some tshirts. You have a really basic shop, under 60 products, with few variations, simple freight and a tiny inventory which I assume is not connected to your offline stock levels. Its slow as heck – it bombed whilst i was trying to use it. Ultra budget hosting with Godaddy right?

    Super Duper.

    My clients have got more difficult to meet needs, larger product lines and more complex business models. Most need to manage inventory with their offline stores. Can your woocommerce do that? Magento can. Easily. Multiple plug and play connectors to point of sale software. WOocommerce? Has none? Why not? Because the WordPress database just doesn’t work well with POS systems so no-one is prepared to program one. Too expensive, and too hard.

    You have gone on the defensive for Woocommerce, without even knowing what Magento can and cant do. You’ve never even tried it. You are running a tiny store with tiny needs. My whole point was… that’s all Woocommerce can do, and its expensive to use to do it.

    Using wordpress as a blog?

    http://www.magentocommerce.com/magento-connect/magento-wordpress-integration.html

    Someone goes to the trouble of telling it how it is and you come back with an unresearched, irrelevant I’m a big woocommerce fanboy advertisment response about your tiny, low featured godaddy hosted tshirt site?

    I call bullshit. You just wanted to advertise your shop. You have no idea about the issues I was referring to(cost and scalability differences between magento and woocommerce) and as your eCommerce needs are so tiny… and my whole point was mine are not and Woocommerce doesn’t meet them… you response was just pointless.

    Moderator Andrew Nevins

    (@anevins)

    Forum moderator

    It’s fine to disagree, but please let’s not turn this sour.

    Not sour
    telling it how it is.

    I take the time to point out, Woocommerce has become too expensive to use, and for the large sites where the expense might make the cost justified, it just doesnt work.

    Ricesrey took the chance to completely off topic claim that’s not his experience, with his tiny shop, that needs none of the high end extra expensive plugins, and becuase of its tiny size has no scalability issues.

    I contend he did it, to advertise his shop.

    Sweet as pie, thats my contention

    Moderator Andrew Nevins

    (@anevins)

    Forum moderator

    Then in future please avoid calling people’s responses “bulls**t”.

    Actually, I must apologize. After reading my post I realized it sounded disrespectful toward Nippi9. The ‘closed mind’ comment was out of line and not what I meant to write. I meant that Nippi9’s mind appeared to be set on this subject and my intention was not to convert him. I was explaining my decision, from my perspective, for the benefit of other potential users.

    Anyway (believe it or not) I wasn’t trying to advertise my web store on this forum. In fact, if readers go to my site from here with the purpose to see how the WooCommerce plugins work, I can’t expect them to say, “Oh, whilst I’m perusing this site , I’ll just buy this here t-shirt.” In other words, I don’t consider forum readers as potential buyers.

    In fact, I just recently built my website and I wanted to see if forum readers felt that the WooCommerce plugins were doing the job displaying my shirts. I believe this is on-topic as we’re talking about WooCommerce plugins not working. Since I’m new to e-commerce and using WooCommerce, I wanted to see if this was my problem. So Comments such as “Its slow as heck – it bombed whilst i was trying to use it” are valuable to me–even though it was intended to be insulting. It tells me that I may have to look into dedicated hosting. I also now know that I should probably look into the Eparcel plugin, the Multi-image per variation plugin, the Grouped Products plugin and others.

    Thanks for the insight.
    Ric Esrey
    [business name self-redacted so it doesn’t offend anyone]

    ricesrey

    I’d prefer you just apologise for hijacking the review. I contend it was to get traffic to your site. You now claim it was to get feedback on your site.

    Either way? You still hijacked it.

    You admit to have almost no experience with WOOcommerce, even less with Magento so you had no place commenting on the review at all – you lacked the necessary knowledge to add anything of use.

    This isn’t going anywhere. Closed.

    Please, everybody, in the future, this sort of thing is not necessary. Reviews are a personal thing, and everybody is entitled to their own opinions. No need to make a big case out of it.

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