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GPL Themes for Money do i understand the GPL right?

  • redanimalwar23

    @redanimalwar23

    Well to me GPL = Free.

    So many themes/frameworks want a lot of meney for them. btu studiopress for exple makes all themes GPL. So u am wondering a lot about this.

    So i can copy the theme legal? and still the charge 50+ bucks for this? If i release something with gpl are u now supposed to give the source away as well.

    do they, point me to a stupidpress official link for the source if there is one please.

    and if there is not. if my undertanding is right i am only plying for the access fo support forums.

    if i would make a site with all premium gpl themes for free download they could not sue me right?

    if we are free to copy themes that are gpl from develloppers there will be sites who already do this point me to a good one plaease.

    i am really feeling strange when i look for GPL YEAH GPL themes like i download illegal warez. i mean i dont want to have spam bots or viruses in my software and i dont want to pay.

    please enlighten me!

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  • Well to me GPL = Free.

    (emphasis mine)

    What it means “to you” doesn’t mean a damn thing to the letter and spirit of the GPL.

    Surely you don’t think you’re the first to think of this, or to bring it up here or elsewhere? I mean, really. The GPL exists to protect the freedoms of the recipient of code. On the one hand, it was written in a different time for a different set of circumstances — it didn’t have scripting languages in mind where the running code is the source code. Thus, some provisions of the GPL are redundant in this context.

    Yes, you can legally redistribute their code. And I’m sure you’d have a crowd of people eager to take advantage of that. But they will not have a way to verify that you haven’t modified that code and snuck something underhanded into it. I’m not saying that you would, but if you (or someone else) did, the only way to verify it would be to compare it to a copy of the code that was obtained legitimately. And what happens later when there are official theme code updates — bug and security fixes? Do you plan to keep up with those?

    Have you ever coded a theme from scratch yourself? Not a child theme. Not taking an existing theme and modifying it. I mean starting with an empty directory and coding all the PHP, CSS, and JS for a decent subset of the template files and a functions.php? I did it once, just as an exercise. I still don’t consider it finished, and it was a lot of work. You put enough work into something like that, enough planning and thought, you might start to think it’s worth a few dollars. I don’t know about you, but I don’t work for free. My time is worth money. Yes, I do put out plugins, tips, articles, and such for free — but not all of my work. I don’t know about you, but I’ve got bills to pay and a family to support.

    So sure, you could buy a premium theme (or obtain it for free from someone else like yourself), and redistribute it for free. But that certainly doesn’t make you somebody that others in the WordPress community will respect.

    why should i pay 60$ for it i dont have so mutch money for that.

    Nobody says you have to spend your money on a premium theme. There are plenty of themes out there that are free-as-in-beer. Download one of those and spend your $60 on a nice steak dinner and a bottle of wine. Or a month’s worth of mac-and-cheese. Whatever.

    Just out of curiosity, what would be the primary reason for putting all of our themes for download on your site? You must be seeking some benefit if you were going to do that.

    Oh hey you here? ^^ Well i think i will get a lots of visitors on my site if i am giving away your themes for free download for expample. still lookign for driskill i like to have a responsive theme. and i would like to hear it from you yourself that i am free to do something like this!

    Don’t. It’s stealing.

    Wrong, absolutly wrong. Stealing by definition is doing something against the Law. Since the GPL says i can do (almost?) whatever i want with its legal to copy and redistribute it in any way. So keep talking and lieing …

    It was there choice to go GPL and not 1% GPL and 99% normal Copyright whatever Chris Pearson has done with thesis. So they are giving me the legal right to do so and i am not stealing for using this legal right. u get that already?
    I think they are the ones takeing advatage of the poor ppl who dont get the GPL by only not providing information that the themes are all GPL on there site (exept from the theme FAQ witch is hidden under “contact” on the site.)

    About the Genesis Child Theme

    Current version: 1.7.1 · Updated: 7/18/11

    Requires: WP 3.2 · Compatible to: WP 3.2

    Features: 6 layout options, fixed width, threaded comments

    BuddyPress Compatible: Get GenesisConnect

    not one word about GPL. i dont call that trasparent marketing (dont know if this exists in english i am german)

    and if u want to help them and i see u are sure on their side and against what i am doing. so u play consider stop talking (lieing) in this thread because this actaully encurages me to move on with this!

    and @studiopress: when your prices where not that overkill and your site more transparent about GPL and that your themes are released and free to legal to copy and not steal i would maybe have another approach to this.

    … still looking for the driskill theme i would love to have a responsive theme for genesis. are there any free resposive childs make my someone you could point me to?

    sry i would like to edit posts but i cant right?

    just wanted to add that i expect ppl to insult me for the information they can see on my site now. because i am a 911 truther …

    @studiopress
    and please tell me why i find this under my theme

    Copyright © 2011 · Magazine Theme on Genesis Framework · WordPress

    Copyright? U are 100% GPL and still u put a copyright in the footer? wtf is this? what about putting information there that the theme is GPL? Who is “taking advatage” here?
    Me for using the rights they voluntary give to me and everyone, the acact right 99% of the open source devs give everyone we call it a “free download” button or they for misleading + hiding information?

    and please tell me why i find this under my theme

    That’s YOUR copyright, not ours. In other words the content on your site is protected by copyright law. Assuming it’s unique material.

    I’m not going to go into all of the GPL matters, but what I will say is that folks who use our themes and have business models that work alongside our company get a ton of promotion by us.

    Those who respect the time we put into developing Genesis and teaching the community of users and developers are allowed to sell themes on our marketplace, get listed as recommended developers and so on.

    These people are making $xx,xxx and some $xxx,xxx from the leads, traffic and theme sales we send them.

    I’m guessing that putting our themes on your site will come no where close to that type of financial benefit.

    Just saying.

    not one word about GPL. i dont call that trasparent marketing (dont know if this exists in english i am german)

    Every single theme of ours is noted at the top of the stylesheet:

    License: GNU General Public License v2.0 (or later)
    License URI: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php

    Also…

    and @studiopress: when your prices where not that overkill and your site more transparent about GPL and that your themes are released and free to legal to copy and not steal i would maybe have another approach to this.

    Maybe you should consider a different business model. Putting themes on your site enables the fear that people are getting encrypted versions. They are also completely unsupported by us – which also causes a bad user experience.

    if you feel good about doing that, so be it.

    Or you can become an affiliate of ours, and encourage others to purchase and make some pretty good money along the way.

    You can edit posts up for to an hour.

    And it’s still stealing. It’s legal, but it’s stealing. Stealing != illegal (otherwise all those baseball players have to give the bases back!).

    to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice

    Thesis themes are GPL2. Some of their portions (IIRC CSS and some images) are not, but that’s permissible.

    That’s YOUR copyright, not ours. In other words the content on your site is protected by copyright law. Assuming it’s unique material.

    well yes of course. i am sorry that confused me a little. because actaully it sounds like the copyright belongs to the theme and/or i am searching for bad things about this ^^

    but why dont u pull in the bloginfo->blogname by default? or put at least my.domain.com or something like that in. many themes do that.

    I’m guessing that putting our themes on your site will come no where close to that type of financial benefit.

    Just saying.

    well i am a little no one person with no visitors … i not a professional buisness man nor a professional wordpress dev. I made a theme 2009 with hybrid-news and then i was away from blogging 2 years and now i started over. somehow i got to genesis.

    to me its aimed at ppl why really do wp for living or at least do sites for other ppl and money. i dont. i playing arround with php/html/css for self education. and i think it to expesive for me (and others) and i think its rediculous to use another theme where i can find a free download on the official site because its GPL.

    hybrid has a better model+pricing i think i think $25 a year. i mean thats affordable. and u can get it for free at his site with all themes! but u got for sure more nice child themes and more features in the framework as far as i saw it (i might be wrong). anyway the reason why i swiched is just because there is no documentation untill u pay 😉 even if i like the pricing more. i dont like suscriptions i dont know how it works. if i forget to cancel it i pay every year. and if i cancel and go away from blogging 2 years and stop i cant use the forums in 2 years^^.

    Every single theme of ours is noted at the top of the stylesheet:

    yes sure in the stylesheet ^^ how about in the footer of the themes and this this box on your site ^^

    About the Genesis Child Theme
    Current version: 1.7.1 · Updated: 7/18/11
    Requires: WP 3.2 · Compatible to: WP 3.2
    Features: 6 layout options, fixed width, threaded comments
    BuddyPress Compatible: Get GenesisConnect

    i think its a concious decision to hide it until ppl buy from you because if they(or many ppl) would see GPL right away that would think “GPL $80 WTF?” like me

    anyway i dont want to start a war against studiopress. for some reason i think u got forced/drag into GPL and for me this buissness model dont really fits into GPL.

    private free! buissness pay! thats fits more in my opinion. or free for all but pay for support.

    what really pisses me off is guys like him Ipstenu

    Don’t. It’s stealing.

    claiming all the time its unethical and that its stealing to copy GPL code thats laughable! i would love to get richard stallmans reaction to that rofl. copy GPL = stealing i will never forget that my whole life!

    so mutch talk i started this thread because i was confused i thaught somehow u must give the source out for free ^^

    u are very good buissness man! and i am not. actaully i dont look for the best benefit for myself by putting 40 genesis themes for free on my site i actually want to help others who think like me and who want to defend the spirit of open source

    and the spirit of open source is still:
    software released on GPL -> free download -> software based on that software -> must be GPL -> resulting automatically in free download as well.
    and seeing mods like Ipstenu claiming the spirit is another thing then copy and modyfied GPL code for free that its against the spirit to copy GPL is fears me. i hope open source stays that way it is in 99,0% of the cases.

    somehow u managed to brake that chain/spirit and wp took a very long time deciding of payed GPL themes harm the community or not. ok they dont harm them i agree but still its a very very strange and wrong feeling that a have look for legal downloads like i look for warez! and now i get the taught that this actually can hurt the community! if my themes i got from fanart.us would infected (i dont think there is anything at all) with bad code i would redistribute them now.

    Maybe you should consider a different business model. Putting themes on your site enables the fear that people are getting encrypted versions.

    i feel it u are all about business and making money. i dont. i have no business model its a small blog from a nobody ^^
    encrypted versions? what i mean? that i made a password on the archive or what? i did not btw
    yes it enables fear and take advantage of that. sending ppl out to shady websites when they want to a copy of open source software when they dont have or want to play $80 is kind of new to the open source world. i dont like that marketing model, i do like your framework. end of story.

    what i mean? = what you mean? – after last quote along with 100 other mistakes sry 😉

    encrypted versions? what i mean? that i made a password on the archive or what? i did not btw

    What that refers to is a common practice. People take a quality theme, and write code that embeds spam links, tracks users, etc (all sorts of crappy behaviour), they then encrypt the code, so it looks like garbage, it is unreadable.

    People who do not know how to read code, etc. assume that the code is supposed to be there, when it is actually doing evil.

    These people often put other encrypted code into the theme which kills the site if any of the other encrypted code is removed.

    Once they have taken the quality theme, and added their bs to it, they offer it up for free. Lot’s of people download it, and get harmed doing so.

    It’s incredibly common, there’s a good chance if a theme has been downloaded from a place other than the WP theme repo, or the theme’s developer, it contains this stuff.

    well i checked the main theme with totalvirus.com there was nothing in it it could find. but php is not like a normal virus i know. for some reason i could not check the whole archive bc i could not upload 13mb it broke up all the time even if it says up to 20mb. the little code i saw in some child themes is ok as far as a saw it. and the framework i am right not digging into some functions and i have fun 😉 and no bad code so far.

    The bottom line is do whatever you want.

    Our business model won’t change, and we’ll continue to supply quality themes to folks at (very) affordable prices to people who value their business.

    Putting all of our themes on your site might get you a few hits of traffic and will continue to confuse users. Neither of which are beneficial the community as a whole, and definitely not the “spirit” of the GPL.

    and the spirit of open source is still:
    software released on GPL -> free download -> software based on that software -> must be GPL -> resulting automatically in free download as well.

    Not necessarily true. Read the link below. I’ll even quote the relevant section.

    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

    Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.
    When we speak of “free software”, we’re talking about freedom, not price. (Think of “free speech”, not “free beer”.) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.

    GPL products can be sold.

    Someone can legally take a GPL product and give it away for free.

    Someone can take a GPL product that was free and charge for it.

    Money doesn’t factor in to GPL. GPL means I can buy StudioPress and edit the code. GPL protects me, the end user, more than StudioPress, but me, being a pretty decent person who understands how hard making a living can be, wants to reward StudioPress for being awesome and therefore pays for the product and the support. I’m happy, they’re happy, and I feel like I’m getting my money’s worth.

    If you want to take someone else’s hard work, pay for it, and give it away, that’s on you. No one here will stop you, though we will (and have) expressed our personal opinion that we think it’s a mean move and unethical.

    If you’re just looking for someone to approve and condone your actions, good luck. The forums are all Pro GPL and Pro Supporting Pay-for products 🙂

    ETA: I actually don’t own StudioPress’s themes and have never used them.

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