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GPL Themes for Money do i understand the GPL right?

  • Well to me GPL = Free.

    So many themes/frameworks want a lot of meney for them. btu studiopress for exple makes all themes GPL. So u am wondering a lot about this.

    So i can copy the theme legal? and still the charge 50+ bucks for this? If i release something with gpl are u now supposed to give the source away as well.

    do they, point me to a stupidpress official link for the source if there is one please.

    and if there is not. if my undertanding is right i am only plying for the access fo support forums.

    if i would make a site with all premium gpl themes for free download they could not sue me right?

    if we are free to copy themes that are gpl from develloppers there will be sites who already do this point me to a good one plaease.

    i am really feeling strange when i look for GPL YEAH GPL themes like i download illegal warez. i mean i dont want to have spam bots or viruses in my software and i dont want to pay.

    please enlighten me!

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  • GPL = free as in speech, not free as in beer

    GPL developers are free to create whatever they like, and charge as much as they like. Do you expect these people to pur hundreds of hours of work into a product, and give it away for free?

    You are free to take their code, and modify it however you like. That’s what the free means. You could also take your modification and give it away, or sell it. What you can’t do is take that theme, and make it non-GPL.

    Getting official support as part of the purchase price is a perk. It makes it worthwhile to buy the product. Of course, theme developers do not have to give you support, but that is how they retain customers.

    Of course, I am not a lawyer. You’d be best off reading up on GPL if you do not understand it. But in a nutshell, just because something is GPL, does not mean it is free (money) it means it is free (code, as in you can have the code, you can modify the code)

    The system works by good people paying a fair price for quality goods. If you are looking to beat the system, you are moving outside the spirit of GPL. When you do that, you get products from shady folks, and you will get spyware and viruses. Be a part of the community and do the right thing.

    Oh yeah right, or just STFU!

    I did not say that i think it is a bad thing. And i dont need to read the GPL again. I guess i did understand it.

    But what you say makes me angry. Claiming i want to “beat” the system such a BS total BS!
    The “System” was and is mostly GPL = free download from official site. Firefox, VLC, Linux all open source software … all the same all free trasparent open download of official sites.

    let me give a exaple about GPL. QT C++ Libary from trolltech(Nokia) there are 2 versions. for the GPL version u can use it for free but u need to release your sourcecode and u dont get support of course.

    so for a compiled programm there is source u cant see in exe files so u need to release the source on besides your exes and dlls. for themes thats not the case. the wp themes the programm is the code.

    what i want to say is when wordress is GPL and genesis is based on wordpress and respects the licence so greatly they maybe would release the source/theme on there site.
    again i am not saying its a bad thing. i just stink its strage way to make money.
    if course they could make a bottom “download for free” and “i want to play for 60$ for this” but of course the dont.
    and wordpress.org making money of it a lot. its fine with me as long as i have the choice to pay.
    there was a music group the did this this way and it worked. you coudl dinate for a free album what u like.

    there is just oen little thing i dont understand about the GPL and i am a little lazy to read it all. are u not supposed to release the source for free if the programm is based on other GPL program? is this a grey zone they are in or totally legal? would love to get this answered.

    and again claiming i would beat the “system” is such a BS the “system” is GPL = free download in 99,9% of the cases (support is another thing) and i think the system will stay that way. in fact this is the 1st time i see such king of GPL selling.

    And i did the right thing (for me) i downloaded genesis from some site, it updated automatically and i downloaded all child themes for free. i keep u informed of me FREE avast antivirus missed any bad code or my blog starts to spam ppl ^^

    Claiming i want to “beat” the system such a BS total BS!

    My apologies on my wording….I didn’t mean you as in YOU specifically, I mean a general you, as is used in English in general passing. It was the passive you. I did not mean to imply YOU specifically wish to do such things, I meant in general. I could have said if one does x, one gets y.

    genesis is based on wordpress and respects the licence

    There’s been a lot of debate on this, but ultimately, genesis has no choice. WordPress is GPL. Themes and plugins are derivatives of WordPRess, therefore they may not distribute in any manner other than GPL

    . i just stink its strage way to make money

    Groups are still trying to figure out the best way to make money. Some charge outright for a theme, some have memberships, some offer bonus perks, or support, etc.

    its fine with me as long as i have the choice to pay.

    You do, and don’t have a choice I guess. You can move outside the system and get the product for free. People can redistribute themes. BUt that is outside the intent, and ‘shady’. For developers to keep working hard and making quality products, they need to get paid.

    u not supposed to release the source for free if the programm is based on other GPL program

    You can do whatever. All plugins and themes are considered derivative works of WordPress. Therefore they must be GPL. But they can be free or paid, it is entirely up to the dev.

    wordpress.org making money of it a lot

    WordPress.org makes no money off it. WordPress is free. Themes and plugins which charge do not pay wordpress any sort of fee or anything.

    GPL = free download in 99,9% of the cases

    That’s where you are misinterpreting GPL. It has nothing to do with free ($). It has everything to do with free code. YOu can download wordpress right now, recode some stuff, and redistribute it as redanimalwarPress. You are free to do what you want with the code. The restriction comes in redistributing it. You can’t redistribute it non-GPL.

    So, even if most GPL stuff is offered for free, GPL does not equal free ($). The developer has the right to charge what/if/how they see fit.

    This phrase

    i downloaded genesis from some site,

    And this

    claiming i would beat the “system” is such a BS

    Are incongruous. You are violating the spirit of the WordPress community when you do that. Why don’t you feel the developers deserve money, and deserve to charge for their amazing products?

    http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/12/14/matt-mullenweg-wordpress-gpl/

    Here’s a cool conversation. There’s a lot of other stuff out there too if you are truly interested.

    I don’t think my attempts a rambling will be nearly as helpful to you as what other, more well versed people can say.

    I’m simply not an expert in this area. The main point I try to make

    β€œWhen we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price”

    http://wordpress.org/about/gpl/

    There’s been a lot of debate on this, but ultimately, genesis has no choice.

    oh sure there is a lot of debate but u are wrong! actaully there was a big debate about thesis and thesis is now dual licence. the php code is GPL and the css is normal copyright or something.
    i watched this skype conversation with matt hat this guy from thesis. i mean the arguments and everything i dont like the thesis guy at all. btu somehow even if i like 100% GPL more of couse it sounds somehow better for sellign to me. actaully he pisses off the community and wordpess says official they dont recoment themes that are not 100% GPL and that IS the reason all premium themes went. GPL. i mean i understand both sides. but if u think of it somehow its redicoulous to say css code is “based” on wordpress in a theme πŸ˜‰

    and ‘shady’

    i dont know i what world u live in but i dont feel shady for copying a GPL piece of software LOOOOL that only a wordpress theme. i mean thematic is free downlaod and almost as powerfull as genisis. why should i pay 60$ for it i dont have so mutch money for that. i can donate the 60$ for starving ppl or somehing or just keep it.

    WordPress.org makes no money off it. WordPress is free. Themes and plugins which charge do not pay wordpress any sort of fee or anything.

    they get listed for free there and wordpress gets nothing for the ads? source?

    That’s where you are misinterpreting GPL. It has nothing to do with free ($). It has everything to do with free code.

    No i dont misinterpret it all all. i know they could say firefox costs 60$ now. but they dont! what i am saying is the “system” u are talking about is. 99,9% of free software = free download. thats what ppl do with it! and i like that.

    and this is “only” php and css. and there are techniques used which are developped by wordpress and the communty. if ppl are willing to pay for that its fine i dont.

    if firefox would cost 60$ now it would be takeing 30 minutes for some ork to come up for 0$. thats the spirit of open-source. i think its kind of strange that i see this kind if thing is the wordpress market where the “code” is only php.

    copared to firefox there are worlds between. for forefox i guess i would pay something like 50-60$ but not for a wordpress theme.

    and btw if the theme updates outomatically all i need to do is watch the code and look if its some familiar server URL and they i know if i got it from the official source. its there “problem” when they do it GPL. funny thing is there is a lot of documentation free for access on the site unlike for hybrid.

    there are enough ppl happy to play for this as mutch as consoel game i am not πŸ˜‰ and i have the GPL freedom to do this legally so why the hell sould i feel bad hahah πŸ˜‰

    its a market model. 99% of the ppl using WP for free. and maybe one percent is buying URLs and themes on wordpress.com and still they all get rich from it so what? a am one of the 99% and i might give somehing back to the community later (a plugin for wordpress)

    esmi

    @esmi

    Forum Moderator

    i might give somehing back to the community later

    Oh – I wonder how many times I’ve heard that one. Then there’s the one about tomorrow never coming. Bottom line – you want professional development and professional support – expect to pay professionals for it. There is absolutely nothing in GPL or WordPress that forbids this. Or even frowns upon it.

    However.

    Taking themes from other devs and turning around and selling them is something many of us find personally morally reprehensible, and will put you on the outs with a lot of us.

    Basically? You know darn well how to behave like an adult. Please do so πŸ™‚

    esmi

    @esmi

    Forum Moderator

    Even taking a free theme, turning it around as your own and offering it as a free download is considered unethical.

    As is taking a paid theme, turning it around as your own and offering it as a free (or paid) download.

    As someone else mentioned to me: The GPL is not a license for unethical behavior.

    It’s a software license, that’s all.

    Oh – I wonder how many times I’ve heard that one. Then there’s the one about tomorrow never coming. Bottom line – you want professional development and professional support – expect to pay professionals for it. There is absolutely nothing in GPL or WordPress that forbids this. Or even frowns upon it.

    you claim me or others ppl jsut saying this? thats why there are 15000 plugins on wp.org bc everyone is just taking and giving nothing back. u dont get it.
    and i dont need prefessional support when i have a free documentation and a search engine that can point me to andswers free. according to matt the sales went up after premium companies went to gpl so they do this for more money. and i guess they really dont care if ppl copy it because there are enogh ppl who pay 60$ for a bit of css and php. i guess there are 2 kinds of ppl. one group wants the profressional support and think its worth to play for the hard work they did no themes and one group dont gets the gpl and sees no free download button on the site and clicks buy because of that.

    However.

    Taking themes from other devs and turning around and selling them is something many of us find personally morally reprehensible, and will put you on the outs with a lot of us.

    Basically? You know darn well how to behave like an adult. Please do so πŸ™‚

    i never said that i would turn it arround. and i never said that i want to sell or give them away for free under another name or making them my own. actaully what i said was that the GPL makes it legal for me to put it on my site for free download. and actaully i am thinking of doing so. with a choice. “get it for free here” or “go to studiopress and pay $79.95”.

    80$ WTF is this? this is more then a top AAA video game title. fro one theme and the framework. i think the price is total overkill. u have to dig into the site to see that they offer the framework only for 60$. lol.

    i repeat myself … other ppl are hacking very very complex c++ code and never come up with strange buissness models like this. and i know mozilla gets payed by google to 80% for expample but still only the major devs get payed all over the world ppl working on c++ code for free. charging $60 dollars for some theme hooks and other well knows techniques everyone can copy paste from the web in a few days (or just use thematic or some other free framework).

    stop taking about unethical. its not! the more u talk about this like that the better i feel about using my rights.

    anyone knows where i can find the drskill theme for free download πŸ˜‰ cant find it. really really strange. every movie or game i can find on the net and ppl actaully violating the law and the copyright.
    but i cant find a gpl theme thats legal to copy πŸ˜‰

    i meant the driskill theme

    hey i just saw u are mods i bet u will start to delete my posts or close this thread now bc i ask for something legal. let me guess i hurt the community πŸ˜‰

    It is your right to take a paid theme and put it up for free download, and it’s legal. It’s also not a nice thing to do.

    There are people who choose to buy the themes at that price. It might be a lot to you, but for critical websites who need to stay up, paying that amount for the support isn’t too much for them.

    Sure they could do it themselves with a bit of Googling and reading some tutorials, but they think they have better uses for their time. It’s their choice.

    hey i just saw u are mods i bet u will start to delete my posts or close this thread now bc i ask for something legal. let me guess i hurt the community πŸ˜‰

    Little slow on the uptake there, aren’t you? We’ve not deleted anything yet (nor will we unless you start acting the goat,s wearing, etc).

    As we’ve said, what you described is GPL permissible. On a personal level, we don’t suggest it, but we’re not going to try and stop you.

    actaully what i said was that the GPL makes it legal for me to put it on my site for free download. and actaully i am thinking of doing so. with a choice. “get it for free here” or “go to studiopress and pay $79.95”.

    Yes, GPL makes that something you can do.

    Don’t. It’s stealing.

    ETA – GPL means free as in speech, not free as in beer πŸ˜‰

    Just out of curiosity, what would be the primary reason for putting all of our themes for download on your site? You must be seeking some benefit if you were going to do that.

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