editing feature missing

max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

Hello guy’s and thk’s for that great WP !!

I have an feature request that will be easy to make and very usefull !!

ok, in the WordPress i edit a simple presentation cartrige and in the cartridge there is a link to open a new windows with an “complete page”

And the point is: i can not edit that html page (inside WP) because THERE NOTHING IN WP to do it.. I have tried to put it in the theme editor but it’s not working …

i think it would be very simple to add a function in the main editor that will allow to edit “external pages” so the end user won’t ave to spend a hudge time to retreive, edit, and send by ftp the external html pages.

it will be a gain of time for everyone who use WordPress, juste select in the main admin windows “edit external page” and that’s it !!

Hope you like my idea

Take care

Hugo

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Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
(@ipstenu)

🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

12 years, 11 months ago

WordPress cannot edit files it does not know about, and it cannot edit files that are not a part of WordPress.

So no, you will never be able to edit external (I.e. NON wordPress) pages. That is well outside the scope.

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

Well is’nt a mistake for a CMS to not Manage some Content ?

If poeples use a Content Managing System i guess because they find it more practicle than building an entire system from zero !

So i am with the CMS that does not edit files !!!! It is so pety ! The car take me to get some bread at the bakery, but won’t take me to Paris … It has no sense …

It is definetly a feature missing in WP

esmi
(@esmi)

12 years, 11 months ago

All CMS manage their own content. They do not manage content created elsewhere.

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

The WP_theme is sometime created by gedit, the html files … gedit is wordpress ? But wordpress can modifie a .css .php .html file from the theme …
so if i make an external window that appear in the wordpress website, i can’t edit it with wordpress ???

i am oblige to make it with another propgramme ? and export it, see mistake, importe the .html correct the mistake, and export the file again … pretty much work for a simple external window … instade off editing the file in wordpress and press button “save” that it …

think about it, and you’ll see all the sense of what i am saying ..
dogma is a very dangerous thing …

Take care

Hugo

esmi
(@esmi)

12 years, 11 months ago

The tools used to create themes have nothing to do with it. Some people use Dreamweaver. Some use NotePad++ or one of the many other plain text editors. A final theme consists of a number of .php and .css files and that’s it.

so if i make an external window that appear in the wordpress website, i can’t edit it with wordpress ???

No – because it wasn’t created by/within WordPress.

you’ll see all the sense of what i am saying

Go and look at other CMS. Try building your own CMS (as I’ve done) and you’ll see why what you describe is impossible.

Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
(@ipstenu)

🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

12 years, 11 months ago

We do see the sense, but we also see the futility.

As esmi said, a CMS only has permissions to edit it’s OWN files (it’s own themes, plugins, and data). This is a security feature and is what you want, at the end of the day. We’re not on about dogma, we’re on about saving your bacon 🙂

While you CAN write a web-based app to edit files outside itself, it’s a security nightmare, and dangerous to use because you open yourself up to a hacker. Imagine the mess that would happen if someone could edit any file you had access to on your server, just because they knew your WordPress ID and password? YIKES!

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

Today if someone has mi WP id he can : change/erase the whole site, or put a “i hate [redacted]” on the home page… to make sure i got many problemes !!!

I unuderstand your position 100%, security is importante and that feature is not a high priority thing for a html expert …

I keep on thinking, and i am write, there is a missing feature, a way to edit file for cases such as “external windonw” thing, and here why i am write : i am not a pro about html and all that, my opinion is the opinion of “end users” and i think is the entire key about CMS.

I think i have found the way to bypass that missing function : i will create a fake theme, and then edit the files inside, not confortable but prety simple .. for a high security CMS ^^

have good time, ans thank’s again for that great (unperfect..) WP
Take care

Hugo

Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
(@ipstenu)

🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

12 years, 11 months ago

Today if someone has mi WP id he can : change/erase the whole site, or put a “i hate [redacted]” on the home page… to make sure i got many problemes !!!

Right, but what he CANNOT do is edit my MediaWiki, my external gallery, my static HTML pages etc etc. You limit damage to JUST WordPress.

Anyway. Why not just make the PAGES within WordPress and let it handle it like anything else?

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

Because my theme is a flexible 2 sidebars, the central part of the theme is restricted in width (516px) it is mesures that i have fixed to make the flexible-width website runing from 1024 screen width to 1800px.

The page i need to show up is 900px width, it is so because this page function is to be print… if i excede the central part width i don’t have a flexible website anymore, the solution is : external page !
the second probleme is that i will have 170 pages to make, it is 1 full day of work, max two, using the WP editor BUT probably more than 10 day’s in “traditional” editing … Understand ?

Niavely a thought i could report that probleme, because for me, A CMS is supposed to Manage a Content, ALL the content …

The page i need to edit could be inside the theme, or inside WP, in fact anywhere as long as i can target the page to open in the new window from the website.

right know i downloaded a theme and i use a page inside THAT I EDIT WITH WP … it was not difficult to bypass that function missing …

The only reson why i came here exposing that feature request, is because – to my point of view – it is a huge and evident mistake from a CMS to be in fact a PCMS … P for Partial.

The original suggestion was “as simple than usefull”: make a additional button in the page admin :
public
protected by password
private
STANDALONE (the standalone can be pointed by another page, to open a new window for exemple..)

Take your time, think about it, and you may find i am right…

Take care guy’s

Hugo

Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
(@ipstenu)

🏳️‍🌈 Advisor and Activist

12 years, 11 months ago

I thought about it. I agree that you have found A solution, but it’s not what I would have done. Nor most people who use WP as their tool, I suspect.

What I would do (in 4 steps):

1) Make a theme that fits the design you describe (or in my case, hire someone to do it, since I hate theming). But it’s been done before with divs and css (see http://themehybrid.com/themes/hybrid and look for the Holy Grail css code) so probably this would be pretty trivial. Find the right theme.

2) Made my ‘center’ section (the 900px one) be the content part of my site so all I have to do is add content and drink whiskey.

3) Add content as posts and/or pages

4) Drink moar!

Niavely a thought i could report that probleme, because for me, A CMS is supposed to Manage a Content, ALL the content …

A CMS manages the content belonging to the CMS (this is, by the way, a universal truth of all CMS apps, web based or not). You weren’t naive, you just didn’t understand that there is a limit to all scope 🙂 Anyway, not a bug, just not in scope for WordPress.

I’m starting to think that you don’t actually want a CMS for your chosen solution, you want web designing software. DreamWeaver or … whatever else people use to design webpages on their own. iWeb I guess.

CMS is CONTENT management system. The content of the SYSTEM, not ‘any old content.’ There’s nothing partial about it, and basically you’re whining that Microsoft Word can’t be used to write perl scripts without a metric ton of work that no one wants to do.

You’re shoving a square peg into a round hole.

Edited to add…

I can think of a lot more convincing reasons, but the simple fact is if you refuse to accept that this isn’t going to happen, you’re just going to be miserable. So accept no as an answer today, unless you can code it securely yourself. And if you can, go to http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ and submit your patch!

Andrea Rennick
(@andrea_r)

12 years, 11 months ago

The page i need to show up is 900px width, it is so because this page function is to be print…

But if ultimately you;re rearranging your content to print it, that’s still backwards.

in WordPRess you can add a PRINT PLUGIN. That will strip the sidebars for you.

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

I am shoving a square peg into a round hole ?

What a jocke !

I trye to use WP as a CMS, and find that it could be granted of a (tiny) function, i kindly report it because i have a strong faith in open source, a demonstrate that the function is helpfull, ans i “shove a square peg into a round hole”

I am right, all i wish you is to understand it one day, give yourself the time for your fake certainties to fly away, and you may find it out …
The possibility to edit in WP a html/css that can be called from another WP page as a window, would be usefull.

for info i run ubuntu, and i don’t use MSoffice, openoffice.org is much better

I am clearly waisting my time, what a shame that i am oblige to hack WP to use it …

I am sorry if i disterbed you guy’s, best wishes to all of you.

Hugo

esmi
(@esmi)

12 years, 11 months ago

in WordPRess you can add a PRINT PLUGIN. That will strip the sidebars for you.

On any site, you can add a print.css sheet which can completely change the layout – including removing sidebars, menus or whatever else isn’t suitable for print.

And open source doesn’t mean “tries to do eveything badly”. You can’t use OpenOffice to edit Flash files or images. You have to use the right tool for the right job. If you want to try hacking WP so that it can be used to edit an externally created .html file – well, good luck to you. If you want to pull 1 WordPress page into another, try looking at custom templates.

Thread Starter max311
(@max311)

12 years, 11 months ago

How to get from A to W by the longuest way:

let’s walk trought C, S, S, make a extra .css (that is not readed from some printers/drivers so some poeple will print a 4 pages with all the <div> ^^ O_o
or maybe let’s walk trought P. L. U and Add a plugin that will make the website more heavy, less stable, and more complicated

it’s to simple to make the standalone page in the editor ? … walking from A to W ? One shot ?

This is not constructive

bye bye 🙂

Hugo

esmi
(@esmi)

12 years, 11 months ago

make a extra .css (that is not readed from some printers/drivers

Printers don’t parse the CSS. The browser does before sending the page to the printer. Do at least try to get the facts right…

it’s to simple to make the standalone page in the editor ?

No – it’s not.