Support » Requests and Feedback » 3.8 admin panel design is very bad

  • Second topic about wordpress admin panel design. First one was removed. May be, it’s not a feedback forum? Oh, no, it is. Then why?

    So, those were the most negitive impressions for my six years of using and coding for wordpress.

    Hello, design from just-after-millenuum. Ugly fonts, dark and eyes-wrestling navigation… And I clearly remember that there was a plugin for wordpress 2.x which made admin area look exactly same.

    Oh, here it is.

    Screenshot.

    But this old plugin looks better then wordpress looks now.

    What’s with new clean style of navigation from Google and Apple? Why did you return to design 5 years older?

    Please return admin style from 3.7 and leave this “design” in this plugin – http://wordpress.org/plugins/mp6/

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  • @marcus Fridholm

    Thank you for bringing some perspective in to the conversation. I share your belief and feelings towards 3.8.

    3.8 brings many of the standard WordPress aesthetics standards forward, that it was almost too aggressive in a few places. You hit one of them on the head; with the flat design aesthetic, much of the visual cues for separation of data and navigation had disappeared, leaving a lot of the information to fight for attention.

    You’re also right about there being plugins that already can help. As an avid WordPress developer, I was really taken back by the different feel of its admin panel. So much so, that I created a plugin that – in a very minimal way – helped reintroduce some of those visual cues back into the admin panel.

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-interface-by-avenue-factory/

    At the end of the day, the WordPress team made widespread visual changes that have generally increased the value of using WordPress, along with developing plugins and creating themes for it. The team is bringing a new breathe of life into the platform, and it is an amazing direction. There may be some refinements needed, but that comes with software, and at least there are valid ways to still get what we want, while respecting the WordPress’s team’s direction.

    I also, am not impressed with this foolish upgrade (down grade): It adds nothing to the functionality of this fine product.

    It may be produced by volunteers, but someone; at some point : Said lets release it. [moderated]

    Solutions to the width issue, and widgets not fitting across the screen.

    1.) WP Admin Classic: Works well : Even donated, but it slooooowwwws the admin side right down. No doubt it will get sorted in time, and is a brave attempt.

    2.) Admin Classic Borders.

    Plugin Blurb:-
    Starting with the MP6 plugin, and by default in WordPress 3.8, the admin backend has been flattened. This plugin restores classic (3D) borders.
    Version 1.3 | By Andy Mercer.

    Now it doesn’t reduce the fonts on the left hand side, but it does smooth out the huge spaces between the menus. You can reduce the wasted spaces : Introduced for fat fingers on Mobiles.
    — Who runs their web site, from their mobile? — Dunno’

    Handy options of Admin Classic Borders you might like:

    Border Type. [none]

    Select which type of border you’d like. Options are light, dark, and 3D (both). Default is 3D.

    Restore 28px Admin Bar? [y]

    The Admin Bar had a height of 28px until WP 3.8. 3.8 increased the height to 32px. While not a large change, many themes use this number when absolutely positioning elements, and many of said themes haven’t been updated to check for the new height. This will restore the classic (28px) height.

    – Both options make a big difference.

    Not perfect, but at least you have that much more control over the over all look and feel of the admin dash-board.

    Developers of word-press please note, you cannot treat users like this. This foolish, ‘mobile-ready-upgrade’ : Completely breaks the trust you’ve developed with the community over the years.

    — I wish you well with the next one.

    Rgds – Jessica.

    — Who runs their web site, from their mobile? — Dunno’

    I’m agree. Let’s admit it – WP dashboard is desktop platform mainly.
    With mobile device we can read sites, play with them but certainly not work with them professionally on everyday basis (type tons of content, work with design, etc, etc…)

    Andrew Nevins

    (@anevins)

    WCLDN 2018 Contributor | Volunteer support

    It’s understandable that you wouldn’t use your phone to write a blog post for example, but you should be able to identify the advantages.

    Of course it’s good to give users new ability to use their mobile devices for blogging in travel for example, etc. But I don’t think it must be a reason to force all users to new mobile UI no bother do they really need it or not.

    I think right decision is to keep old classic design as main design and include new design as option or something that turns on automatically when you enter to dashboard from mobile device or even plugin for those who use mobile device for blogging. But I doubt that too many users use mobile devices for blogging compared to desktop users.

    it’s good to give users new ability to use their mobile devices for blogging…
    …But I doubt that too many users use mobile devices for blogging compared to desktop users.

    Really? It isn’t a new concept.

    http://wordpress.org/mobile/

    (links go to google)

    blog from your mobile device wordpress

    use blogger from mobile devices

    mobile blogging for joomla

    mobile blogging on drupal

    Аnd where the comparison?

    Nordi C. Considering that mobile/handheld (web) use is growing at rapid rate (Where i live in Sweden, the stats tell us that 90% is using a smartphone for internet everyday. In Russia, it’s 29% and growing), there is no reason to stay with ”outdated” conventions. If people using WordPress on their handheld devices? Yes, they actually do (i use my Ipad everyday), and even if you don’t do the same things on your handheld as in your desktop browser, the use of WordPress in mobile is growing.

    The 3.8 Admin is not ”Mobile UI” (if you don’t use it on your desktop at a 320×240 resolution 😉 ) it’s just responsive, something developers and designers have been doing since 2010.

    Of course there are apps for this (choice is good!).

    The Admin design? Well, there are some issues (will be a ticket in the Trac). However, it’s not THAT radical change concerning the workflow. The UI (now we are not talking about the design style) is still the same (almost everywhere).

    Use a plugin, create your own color scheme (http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-color-schemer). It’s also easier than ever to create your own plugins!

    MrsJessicaSimpson ->

    Developers of word-press please note, you cannot treat users like this. This foolish, ‘mobile-ready-upgrade’ : Completely breaks the trust you’ve developed with the community over the years.

    Let’s break it down here.

    • ”Developers of word-press please note”: WordPress is a open source project with many developers from around the globe. It’s not a company. You can also join in. If your really want to the UI devs to note your ”concerns”, your way is the wrong way.
    • you cannot treat users like this: That’s YOU, not everyone. Big difference. It’s funny, because almost the same type of comments was said over the pre 3.8 Admin Design. It’s actually quite common when the design of whatever application/site is changed or not.
    • This foolish: Based on what?; You? All WordPress users? The general public? The local WordPress Shaolin Master?
    • mobile-ready-upgrade: Welcome to 2013. This is what web developers and designers have been doing since 2010.
    • Completely breaks the trust you’ve developed with the community over the years: First, the developers is the community. The community is the developers. Second. That’s your opinion, not a fact.

    Others. If you don’t like things, that’s alright. But keep things constructive. Look at Marcus Fridholms post earlier for ”inspiration” on how to write critique the right way.

    @nordi C

    Where is the comparison of what?

    I’m simply pointing out that your previous statements –

    “it’s good to give users new ability to use their mobile devices for blogging…
    …But I doubt that too many users use mobile devices for blogging compared to desktop users.”

    – while being a perfectly valid opinion, may not necessarily be accurate. Sometimes that can be the result of a narrow perspective caused by a limited scope of personal experiences with something. If all someone ever does is use WordPress from their PC to write content and manage their own website, then that’s going to be the extent of that users experience.

    That doesn’t mean however, that a few hundred-thousand other people don’t post daily updates, edit content, upload media, or manage comments on their own sites by using their smart phones, tablets and other portable devices. In fact they do. It’s been happening for a very long time. And as the conversations found at the few quick links I posted above demonstrate, on more platforms that just WordPress.

    I’m agree. Let’s admit it – WP dashboard is desktop platform mainly.

    That just isn’t a well thought-out statement. Not because it’s your opinion, because – again, it is a perfectly valid viewpoint – I just think it might be a viewpoint that forms from a narrowly focused, specific use of WordPress.

    Nordi

    (@nordi)

    pubwvj

    (@pubwvj)

    Not liking the new Admin.
    Changes to layout aren’t useful and waste time of users who need to do work as well as wasting time of support. No need to make people hunt around for how to do things they’ve been able to do before. No need to take away informational displays we use.
    Backend functionality improvements, fine.
    Front end should stay consistent unless user wants change.

    WPyogi

    (@wpyogi)

    @pubwvj – feel free to use the plugin mentioned several times in this thread to change it back on your site.

    Nordi

    (@nordi)

    WPyogi this plugin doesn’t turn your WP to the same as it was. It have many problems with widgets page, themes page, you can’t change number of columns and so on.

    pubwvj

    (@pubwvj)

    The consensus of this thread from users is: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    [Unnecessary comment about moderators removed]

    The simple solution would be to not mung things up so with fast changes and not lose functionality that people are using. Changing icons, repainting, etc are not useful.Those things should be done in plugins or themes, not at the fundamental level. Legacy support and backward compatibility is critical – including being able to be used by naive users who are used to the old interface.

    [Second unnecessary comment about moderators removed]

    Moderator Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)

    (@ipstenu)

    🏳️‍🌈 Plugin Review Team Rep

    Okay, I’m closing this because at three pages we’ve only come up with one fact: Some people like the new Admin theme, some don’t.

    Everyone’s opinion is equally valid here. The admin is not 100000% baked. It’s going to be tweaked based on how people use it, but it’s important to remember sometimes you’re just the vocal minority. I certainly am (I want bigger font sizes). The point there is that you may not get what you want, but thankfully WordPress lets you use plugins to edit that.

    There are options. For now, we ask that you respect each other and try them out.

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