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2.7 Editor sucks! (20 posts)

  1. William Bowles
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    What is it with this editor? I try and add breaks after paras and WP strips the damn things out! Even I do it in HTML view eg <p><p> as many as you like, no good, WP strips them out.

    This is on top of all the bugs in the image editor component that I've complained about elsewhere (and still no response on that one).

    This is really disappointing, as it is I post from Marsedit which is pretty minimal and then edit again in WP. It's becoming a real chore to manage 2.7

    Bill

  2. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I have the same issues. First time I use wordpress 2.7
    as I use mainly Joomla 1.5. yes, I hear it... booo.
    It serves me well :-D But back on topic.

    They told me wordpress is much easier to use for a novice
    (my customers...) So I give it a shot...

    I did hope WordPress would provide a good online editor.
    Nothing is worse as that.

    After clean installation, I did try to change the 'about' page.
    I switch directly to HTML coding, because I do not trust those
    visual editing techniques. I DO NOT LIKE automatic formating.
    I wish to have FULL CONTROL of my html pages.

    Guess what, the edit strips all Your tags.

    So I found this:
    http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=384
    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/153533?replies=10

    The first link does show an extended editor, Advanced TinyMCE
    but seems not to be updated or compatible with 2.5+ versions.

    The second link, well, I don 't have time to read and try all this !!!

    WordPress should work OUT OF THE BOX.
    FAST and EASY as it pretend in the installation.

    If there is no decent online editor in this package, well, scrap the editor as permanent module, so it becomes a plugin. So users are forced to use an offline blog editor to upload there pages.

    That's my opinion. Always problems with those online editors !
    I HATE it. I really wonder why this comment is formatted well...

    And I did not evaluate yet the SEO capacities to put Your own metatags on each page ! I am sure You need another plugin for that. I do not see standard implementation at all.

  3. MarkRH
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    TinyMCE Advanced version 3.2 works fine with 2.7. http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tinymce-advanced/

    Within its advanced settings is an option to stop it from removing the <p> and </ br> tags when saving and to show them in the HTML tab editor. If you want WordPress to not touch anything, then go into your Profile settings and tell it not to use the visual editor.

    Many times I will write part of my post using the visual editor, then change my profile to not use the visual editor and then add in any funky HTML code that I don't want it possibly changing.

    For SEO stuff, look at: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/all-in-one-seo-pack/

  4. thisisedie
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    For the life of me I can't figure out why people have so much trouble. I'm using 2.7. I insert HTML. I never have a problem. If WP was the issue I'd think EVERYONE would have this problem.

    I really wonder why this comment is formatted well

    Why? Going by what you say, WordPress messes up formatting. This message forum isn't run on WordPress so what does the format of forum posts have to do with anything?

  5. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Well, I have that issue such as the OP, that makes two of us.

    I used a clean setup of LAMP in Ubuntu, and a standard setup of WP.
    So it is easy to replicate on a virtual or physical machine.

    I try the plugin of Advanced TinyMCE.
    If that does not work, I trash this solution and I return to Joomla.

    The software should run out of the box, without those issues.

  6. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Ok, so far, I tried the first option, without installing Advanced TinyMCE.
    This means, I disabled the use of the visual editor.

    This does not work out as I want.

    If I want to have this:

    ............
    BlaBlaBla

    Bla2bla2bla2
    ............

    I need to perform
    <p>BlaBlaBla</p>&nbsp;<br /><p>Bla2Bla2Bla2</p>

    It should be:
    <p>BlaBlaBla</p><br /><p>Bla2Bla2Bla2</p>

    So I try the Advanced TinyMCE option.
    if this does not work...

  7. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 6 years ago #

    For the life of me I can't figure out why people have so much trouble. I'm using 2.7. I insert HTML. I never have a problem. If WP was the issue I'd think EVERYONE would have this problem.

    same here - no problems
    - maybe differing server set ups?

  8. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    yeeh, sure. Something like Windows versus Linux.
    On windows, You have all permissions You want to get the cheese.
    You only need to access the holes. Permissions are less strict.

    Or something like php safe mode or not. Or php caching...

    Before installation of WP, the software should check if the server
    match all those conditions. This is done by other software too.

    I installed the Advanced TinyMCE. But does it show up, nada.
    Did I clean the cache, sure. Both from Apache and Firefox.
    As I rebooted the web server.
    Shift refresh, Ctrl F5, smash the keyboard !

    So I found this:
    http://azaozz.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/troubleshooting-tinymce-in-wordpress-27/

    Nope.

    I found the checkbox in Settings->Advanced TinyMCE to disable cleanup
    of <p></p> and . I saved that screen, written in bold as recommendation... And I enabled the visual view back again, next to the user.

    No Advanced TinyMCE.

    So finally I found some topics, with the same problems:
    http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=14506
    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/224919

    So when I read that, I known enough. All those things need to work out of the box. If there are requirements, they should be checked before installation etc.

    Right now it is pretty difficult to find out what is going wrong. I can start to verify log files, access permissions or finally run my PHP debugger :-) Looks like a drupal setup...

    I was surprised I got so fast and quick answer. For those who did try to help, may You be blessed for Your kindness.

    I have to code. Not to study the internal code of WP or the plugin,
    to find some mismatch stuff. I leave it as it is, lost 4 hours on it.

  9. Saurus
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    90% of the problems posted on here are because people don't RTFM, install WP improperly (again by not RTFM first), install plugins improperly (again ...).

    Nobody is being forced to use free software. You can go back to a different version, or pay to use TypePad or something. When you think of the hundreds of thousands of people using WP - the complaints area drop in the bucket.

  10. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I read each day a RTFB or RTFM !
    Don't give me that lame answer as old as the streets in New York.

    Nobody is forced to use free software.
    But nobody is forced to write crap sections of code too.
    (I did not say WP is crap !)

    If complaints do go to the basket, there is no need to improve software too. Complaints are signals to improve code and logic.

    I posted some nice threads to read, to point this is not always
    as easy as RTFM !

    If this is not valid, there should be a HTML page
    WordPress->Support->/dev/null

    REPOST

    yeeh, sure. Something like Windows versus Linux.
    On windows, You have all permissions You want to get the cheese.
    You only need to access the holes. Permissions are less strict.

    Or something like php safe mode or not. Or php caching...

    Before installation of WP, the software should check if the server
    match all those conditions. This is done by other software too.

    I installed the Advanced TinyMCE. But does it show up, nada.

    I found the checkbox in Settings->Advanced TinyMCE to disable cleanup of <p></p> and . I saved that screen or the editor would not launch. As I enabled back, the visual view,
    next to the user.

    Still no Advanced TinyMCE.

    So I found this:
    http://azaozz.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/troubleshooting-tinymce-in-wordpress-27/

    Did I clean the cache, sure. Both from Apache and Firefox.
    As I rebooted the web server.
    Shift refresh, Ctrl F5, smash the keyboard ! Nope.

    So finally I found some topics, with the same problems:
    http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=14506
    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/224919

    So when I read that...

    All those things need to work out of the box. If there are requirements, they should be checked before installation etc.

    Right now it is pretty difficult to find out what is going wrong. I can start to verify log files, access permissions or finally run my PHP debugger :-) Looks like a drupal setup...

  11. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

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  12. Bliss7
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Hmmm...

    I've also have some problems with this HTML editor...it can't align my image to have the text wrap around the image, and for the image to align right.

    I specifically tell it to align right, as per using that image edit button that appears over the image in WP 2.7.....but the image shows no alignment in the preview. It just disobeys what I tell it to do...

    I must add this blog is running on a VPS, so maybe WP 2.7 has issues depending on servers....

    I'm not good with HTML, so can someone give me an example code to use?

    I don't want to spend hours running around for a simple solution, because I have been using WP for a long time, and the HTML editor is simply not good, it doesn't work properly out of the box even dating back to the earliest versions of WP.

    Really expected WP to improve in this department, with WP 2.7. If I have any particular gripe about WP, it will always be this...the HTML editor.

  13. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Yes.

    I think that's why any 'pro'-blogger does use the offline blog posters with XML-RPC. You can do all formatting locally, keep a local copy and post it.

    So You don't need to use that editor.

    But I known my customers, they will see, the edit button. I will tell them, don't hit it ! For suren they will hit it and mess up there articles. They will point to me, because they are ... authors.
    I am the tech who need to solve it. Not today, but yesterday.

    The editor should be a module (plugin) only. Standard behavior should be XML-RPC and a good tutorial how to use it.

    But this will not help us any further right now...

  14. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Well shoot Prof Rabbit.

    I made a mistake Advanced TinyMCE is running.
    It just looked like the old editor, so I presume it was not running.
    But I modified the toolbar and, I get the results, a new button.

    Well, yes, stupid of me. However, it should be less confusing,
    if there was a tiny text, to explain which editor is running...

    Good so far. Am i satisfied no.

    I flagged the option use CSS in Settings->Advanced TinyMCE.
    My theme does contain black background, and yes,
    the editor turns black in the background, however, text becomes invisible. So uncheck that again.
    No use of CSS ?! pff... All pages should use CSS...

    Ok, We try the <p> and
    stripping.
    Ok. This works. You can switch from view mode to html mode.
    All tags are there, not stripped.

    Because I have checked the option in settings->Advanced TinyCMS
    'Stop removing the <p>....'

    Black lines ?

    Well this was checked. And it is still the same.

    You need to use combination &nbsp;<br /> to create a blank line.

    If You use ...text....<br />....text... it fails...

    Well, that's a pity.

  15. JurgenD
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Ok, I found why.
    It has to be

    <p><br class="spacer_" /></p>

    I do see Advanced TinyCME does change that automatically.
    So it is possible to work at that level,
    but my findings and hints still stand to improve this all.

  16. websnail
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Just wanted to suggest a solution to the OP.

    I found the same issue with Headspace2 after I disabled it and then whole thing worked great. I figured it was the whole thing until I realised that there's a module in Headspace2 > "WordPress content formatting"

    If you enable this module it strips out all the <P> and
    tags unless you tick/enable the "Auto-formatting" option.

    Took me about 3 hours to figure that out but this solved the problem for me.

  17. selfmade64856
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I agree....WP text editor sucks big time whether you have a clean install or not. I've created a few hundred blogs and static sites using it and the text editor is always the same.....crappy. WYSIWYG my arse! More like WYSIWY Could Get....if you're lucky, and forget about using the TinyMCE Advanced for anything other then regular text editing, you start getting into tables and you're in for a real treat dealing with stripped tags and broken html. I think it would be great if the developers took this issue a little more seriously instead of brushing it off with the "You probably didn't install WP correctly" BS. Just my 2 cents.

  18. timdevogel
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Yep, this is the worst editor I've ever worked with! What You See Is What You Won't Get!

  19. Cosmo Lomax
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Hello,

    Jurgen posted above about offline editors which are used to create the posts which are then uploaded. Could any one suggest one for me please. I am currently using the WP Advanced Code Editor which is much better than the in the box editor however i'm still having some problems with tables and according to 'selfmade..' its not worth me trying TinyMCE. Any tips guys?

    Cheers

  20. Evan_
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I too have problems with the editor. Basic stuff like adding spaces between the lines, often does not work when I view the result. I type in a line, I press enter, I press enter again, I type in something else... go to preview... the two lines have no space between them (other than a line-break).

    (I don't use WP as a blog tool, I use it for a basic website, I type in stuff in the Pages panel)

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