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Plugin Search Gone Crazy!

  1. samjco
    Inactive

    This is a major issue.

    WordPress, we need a way to get within the plugin search results the right plugin searched for. For instance, if I search for Gravity Forms or Easy Digital Downloads, I will get every "Add-on" plugin possible to the core plugins and not the core plugin itself.... This causes me to always go to the plugin developers site to download the plugin.

    Is there anyway to separate the plugin Add-ons from the Core itself?

    Is there anyway to let user know that This is an "add-on to" or "dependency of" the actual Core plugin?

    When I search for Easy Digital Downloads it would be nice to see within the wp repository or plugin dashboard somewhere:
    (e.g: EASY DIGITAL DOWNLOADS)

    EASY DIGITAL DOWNLOADS (CORE)
    - 49 DEPENDENCY PLUGINS [+EXPAND]

    When plugin creator make new plugins they should be able to say if it is a CORE or a dependent of "e.g: EASY DIGITAL DOWNLOAD".

    THis will also allow for it to be sorted nicely in the plugin dashboard.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  2. If you put in the exact name of the item, it comes up first. But after that, it's a mix of the name, the slug, and a few other things.

    Search is hard. Guessing your intent is harder. There's a reason google is so important.

    Until the plugin API on .org is changed, it's not something core can fix :(

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  3. samjco
    Inactive

    Do me a favor, search "gravity forms" from wordpress plugin dashboard and tell me if you can find the main plugin.

    BTW, when I said CORE, I was referring to main plugin itself. Not wordpress core.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  4. Gravity Forms, the core plugin, isn't on WordPress.org. That's why.

    Do me a favor and search for "ninja forms" -- you'll see :)

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  5. qvsoft
    Member

    Anyway we can add a plugin as dependency plugin of an other plugin? so when we search for main plugin, we can also see all it's dependency plugins.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  6. Not at this time, no.

    In theory everyone would remember to use the tag of the parent plugin for that, but it's not mandatory nor enforced.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  7. samjco
    Inactive

    It's becoming more clear that wordpress does NOT really listen to the voice of the people who actually use the product everyday...... no offense Mika.

    But you shouldn't have all the answers.

    I've launched over 7,000 WordPress sites in my lifetime. I mentioned this to Matt M. at a WordCamp in STL.

    User Experience (UX) is not just a job for me, it is my life!

    UX is basically how a person feels about something. This, WordPress does very well then other CMSes. But there's always room for improvements.

    UX is everything.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  8. Listening and having the magical ability to do all the things for everyone as fast as they want is what I've taken to calling a TARDIS issue.

    Also I care a great deal about UX and I fight for the users regularly. This one, literally, is a bigger issue than you think and has far, far, less to do with WordPress core code than is does the WordPress.org site.

    As a reminder: This ideas forum is for ideas for WordPress core. Not .org.

    None of any of that was the point here.

    Point!

    Search sucks.

    The Plugin API that powers the search is WHY it sucks.

    The content that plugin devs put into their readmes is WHY the API search sucks.

    The only way to control that is to, literally, control the tags and such that devs are allowed to use.

    The only way to control that is to increase the burden on the review volunteers.

    The only way to reduce that burden is to fix the (broken) plugin review/maintentance system.

    The only way to fix the system is with pretty much a full freakin' rewrite, which is so annoying complicated, we all back away slowly when we have to do anything with it.

    Feel free to complain to Matt that it still sucks. Maybe he'll allocate someone, full time, to fix that. I'd love it. I've asked Matt for it multiple times. He knows I want to burn down the repo and start over, since that would be cleaner.

    Until then, I'm the messenger telling you we know it sucks. We hate it more than you do, as hard as that may be to believe. We're aware of it, we're working on it, but until you can invent a TARDIS or provide someone who can fix it, you're just going to have to wait :/

    And anyway. All of that has nothing to do with your original topic.

    Searching for the exact name of a plugin always brings up that plugin. You were wrong about that because you were searching for a plugin that does not exist in the .org repo. Gravity Forms isn't in the repo :) Can't be listed.

    After that, yes, people need to use better tags.

    Build me a TARDIS or a machine to clone myself, and I'd be happy to enforce that.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  9. samjco
    Inactive

    Mika Thanks for your response.

    I can see how passionate you are about supporting the community from your comment.

    When I replied earlier, I was replying based on this and the many idea submissions that I've submitted.

    They are pretty interesting ideas coming from someone who's been advocating wordpress as a CMS since 2007.

    What I am just expressing is that IF YOU are the only one assigned to answering the idea forum, then please don't be quick to shoot down an idea, especially coming from advanced users who are in the thick of things wordpress 24-7, or maybe more like 18-6 :).

    With that said... Yes WordPress needs a better way to reference a Plugins to it's Add-ons, whether it's on .org or in core. I've given my based suggestion.

    And even making the repository plugin's screenshots to popup......... but that's another idea another day.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  10. ikwilhet
    Member

    @samjco

    Finally somebody kicking it to the WordPress devs. Thank you.

    The search for plugins is horrendous! When you search for the tag and you enter the exact tag of the plugin, that does not even return the plugin in the results.

    It's like a search engine pre2k.
    Atleast enable sorting by "review score" and "download count". It would make our lives so much more beautiful!

    Thank you.

    Posted: 3 years ago #

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    This is not a core suggestion