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Multiple languages blogging. A core solution?

  1. Misamee
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    Yes, a pity indeed!

    Amir, WPML helps a lot of users and the available alternatives can't compare with it.
    WPML still has issues, from my point of view, most of them caused by WP itself, but I can live with WPML as a companion plugin of WP.

    However, it's really a shame that WP core team doesn't take in account this lack for such a silly reason.

    And it's also a shame the fact that they don't post a single comment here.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  2. VoxAppeal
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    I suggest you keep making your presence felt at WP, Amir.

    However the fact that only 1% of websites are multilingual is no justification for NOT having multilingual tools. (Where does that figure come from? Don't you mean 1% of "English" websites?)

    Not having multilingual tools is more likely the REASON why most of them are monolingual. You can't learn to swim without getting in the water.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  3. AmirHelzer
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    When WPML was free, it had usage statistics on WordPress.org.

    If you combine the total downloads for WPML and several other multilingual plugins on WP.org, you'd get something like 50,000 active sites (to calculate this, you should look at download peaks during update days and divide by the percentage of that version).

    WordPress 3.2 is currently at around a million downloads and 3.1 got around 15 million.

    So, we're actually talking about something like 0.3%.

    Most WordPress downloads are for blogs. I think that the total active WordPress installations is around 4 million (that's a number for a different discussion). So, this brings the total number of multilingual WP sites close to 1%.

    If multilingual support went to WP core, that number would have risen considerably. However, the overall number of WP users would drop, as the software would become much heavier and more complex - a bit like Drupal is today.

    I think that a fair start would be to include proper support for choosing a single language easily.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  4. vireax
    Member

    I don't mind switching to Drupal if I need a multilingual web site. However, WordPress shouldn't claim itself as a mature CMS if they lack this most wanted feature. Joomla? I hated it since my first try.

    I'm talking about web sites for tiny businesses in Asian region here. We want to communicate with both local customers and foreigners. I usually end up installing 2 separate sites, or using multisite feature, or using qTranslate as my priority since I hate to pay for commercial plugin as WPML.

    I don't think adding this optional feature into the core WordPress is heavier than using a plugin. We will be frustrated when an existing plugin does not fit in the latest WordPress version, or when the developers are no longer interested in maintaining for free, or especially when WordPress core developers never consider this options to be include in further release.

    Honestly, I love the simplicity of WordPress. When time comes to solve complicated site architecture, this is night mare.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  5. StanJones
    Member

    WordPress is definitely an amazing CMS. Talking about the multi-lingual offerings, then we do find a couple of widgets that can help visitors read the content of the website using their preferred languages. For example, I used the [strong]Global Translator[/strong] Widget and Im happy to say that I started getting views from different geographic searches as well. You might want to try that one.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  6. sylwiaofwarsaw
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    I'd love it. I think that more companies outside of the English speaking world would use WordPress if it offered such a possibility in its basic form.

    I understand that many sites may not need it, and then the additional code would only make them unnecessarily heavier. But how about including it in an Automattic plugin like JetPack for example?

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  7. quasarcaesar
    Member

    I'm beginner in WP and I'm reading a lot of nonsense. I'm not sure but somebody is lying here.
    Talking about multi-language sites the next affirmation is false: "...So, we're actually talking about something like 0.3%."
    As WordPress lack of multi-language capabilities core people have to make things like duplicate or triplicate their sites, one Site per language. That’s to say, If you use 5 languages in your sites you are using 5 versions of WP. So, this 0.3% of multi-language Sites is a wrong proportion. In my poor opinion, if somebody are thinking that multi-language Is not the present... they are losing the right way.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  8. Misamee
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    quasarcaesar, the point of this topic is having the multilanguage as a core wordpress feature, to solve the issues that can't be solved by the existing plugins.

    The problem is not how to make multilanguage websites: there are many options.
    You can use qTranslate (free), WPML (is premium plugin, but works better) or use the wordpress multiblog feature (this is like making different blogs for each language).

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  9. quasarcaesar
    Member

    sciamannikoo, thaks for your comment. I'm looking for a food multilanguage framework. As I said I'm beginner 38 years old engineer, but I left for 10 years software programming and design. Now I retake the contact with all this world and I spected something better than frontpage and there are something better but... ummmm I spected in general one solid standard and I found more and more separated projects, for example: Drupal, WordPress, joomla, Dotnetnuke... Thats a nonsense for me. The future wasnt this, and my surpress is that nobody store his data in tables with XML format for retrieve separate international text, other the data of measurements like currency, with and other quantities is'n stored in XML format inside a field with its measure unit like meter or feet within and structured XML format, in the databases. I think one right Core must save and load the data acording to the localization and unit of meassure transparently...
    Anyway, I think WordPress have a chance in this "war of frameworks" that I have found after my 10 years slept.
    Of course, I thing that Core Internationalization is necessary. Best regards!

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  10. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
    Administrator

    The problem is any automated translation system ... sucks.

    Go to translate.google.com. Put a joke in using your native language. Translate the joke to any other language and then back to yours.

    So yeah, it's know, and WP is working on better solutions, but they're all pretty manual since, at the end of the day, someone has to go in and check the translations. Matt mentioned the problems in his State of the Word: http://wordpress.tv/2011/08/14/matt-mullenweg-state-of-the-word-2011/

    If you're willing to help out, the first step is translating CORE into multiple languages. Go over to http://translate.wordpress.org/projects and jump in!

    Posted: 3 years ago #

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    Good idea! We're working on it