• I’m sure a lot of us have seen the Blogger tshirt – i think if i remember correctly, it’s an orange square with the letter B in the middle.

    well, i’m thinking of designing a tshirt for WP and its fans. Perhaps a competition where people submit their version, and then it gets voted on, and then i get em made professionally (since tshirts is my thing).

    Then they could be offered up for sale here to help with funds, and just to spread the word too. I’m not looking to turn this into a money making deal, just looking to give back. besides, if people here think it’s a good idea, well that might just be good enough.

    might be fun. design a WP tshirt logo thing, heck, if someoen else thinks they can make them that’s fine i’m just throwing out the idea.

    morvak

    “The wheels never stop spinning.”

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    oh not the dreaded cafepress.

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    sorry, i shouldnt have been so abrupt. and i dont mean to knock your decision to use cafepress. but they make all the money. and they aren’t screenprinted tshirts, they’re dye sublimated.

    i dont this isnt a huge idea, and i’m not trying to push the idea (well a little) but i was thinking more along the lines of colored shirts (or shirt, depending on shirt color) as well as a different design, maybe something to represent wp for all kinds of bloggers, news, personal, artsy, etc.

    that’s what i meant to say. 🙂

    ug. sometimes i shouldn’t even bother methinks, i get caught up in the moment i guess.

    sorry, i shouldnt have been so abrupt. and i dont mean to knock your decision to use cafepress. but they make all the money. and they aren’t screenprinted tshirts, they’re dye sublimated.

    Huh? Care to elaborate for those of us not well-versed in the shirt-printing business?

    I read that as missing a smilie, and assumed you knew something I didn’t – or something like that 🙂

    I have no clue about shirt-printing either.

    The slogan could be ;

    Downloaded the software – bought the teeshirt 🙂

    Cafepress charges such high wholesale prices that it’s hard for Joe Average to actually make money from selling stuff there, unless he only wants about $1. And while Cafepresses shirts are decent quality, the designs are essentially dyed onto them, so the wash out relatively quickly.

    It’s WAY more cost effective to get proper shirts done from a local company.

    For example, a local band in town here sells shirts for $15 CDN. They make about $8 per shirt. At cafepress, that same shirt would have to be $15 US just to make $1. This band also sells hoodies for $45 and are making about $25 off them.

    Anyways, I wouldn’t buy anything from Cafepress – the prices are too high and the quality is too low.

    Ok, who wants to work out an arrangement with an acceptable print shop (because it’s not like WordPress is an actual company with cash on hand to pay those upfront costs)? Then you’ll have to receive orders, ship out shirts, manage billing, etc., etc. There’s a huge difference between some local band selling tees next to the sound equipment, and WordPress selling them to users living in places even Federal Express has trouble reaching.

    Not to put a damper on this, but it’s important to know how much an operation like Cafepress takes care of for you, behind the scenes. If we want a better product, we either have to find a similar operation that does screen printing, or we do all that stuff ourselves.

    There are probably 50 places in any large city that’ll do the printing at a good cost, you can buy the shirts in sets as small as 10 (usually – depends on where you go), and as long as shipping is said to be extra (like add $4 for post to US/Canada, $8 overseas – don’t quote me, I haven’t looked the shipping costs up), it can be covered.

    Bascially, if 1 person can throw $100 up-front to doing it (to buy maybe 10 or 15 shirts of various sizes) and whip together a quick script to keep track of things, it can be done. Hell, there’s no reason why people can’t pre-order the shirts as long as a refund is guaranteed if no shirts get made.

    Damn these super powers. I accidentally hit the delete link while perusing RustIndy’s latest post — which is now gone. Sorry RustIndy. Please repost and forgive my twitchy fingers.

    Thanks RustIndy, I’ll take one. 😉

    No worries Ryan, I was just pointing out that most bands sell there merch (like shirts) from a website, no *only* at shows, so there’s really no difference.

    While I’m on the topic, I’m not sure I’d buy a shirt with just the WordPress logo (such as it is) on it. It might be much more effective to have something else as the focal point, and have WordPress in smaller letters, or even on the back. Maybe a cartoon or parody on the front (tasteful, though, not cheesy – or maybe cheesy if that’s your thing too) that illustrates a prime blogging target.

    Actually, I probably would buy the shirt. Been there, done that already, might as well go the whole 9 yards 🙂

    For an alternative to CafePress (and one pointed at blog-things), check this out:
    http://www.blogtshirts.com/index.htm

    I’m willing to front the costs for an initial batch of 12 to 24 shirts. I create my own designs and get them printed locally from a great independent shop in NJ. Top quality stuff, vibrant inks, etc.

    The cost basically breaks down like this, for Gildan shirts (better than Hanes and Fruit of Loom, not as trendy and slightly bigger style than American Apparel)

    Screen: $25 per side (front or back). So, $50 for front AND back. That’s standard.

    Color prices:
    12-24 shirts 1 ink color: $5.75 per shirt
    2 or more colors, up to 4 colors, add about $0.75 per additional color.
    The more the quantity of shirts, the lesser the price. 100 shirts about $4.25 a pop. May not seem like a savings, but do the math, it is. 😉

    Then there is artwork cost. That’s basically taking the vector artwork (which is the best way to approach the design, you can use bitmaps, but you’ll want to convert or trace the bitmaps into vector) from a program like Illustrator and converting it (don’t know how this works myself actually) so that it gets printed correctly by the screen and printer machine.

    The thing with the 1 to 4 colors is that you don’t use gradients, usually, anything over a 4 color process is a lot of money. Then you’re talking about selling a $25 tshirt. LIttle extreme i think.

    You can do a LOT with 1 to 4 colors. The less colors, the less cost to get them made, the less time seperating the colors to get the screens to print certain colors (ink is basically projected onto certain parts of screen so that only that part of the design is printed in that color). Or i think it’s 1 screen per color. I forget offhand.

    So let’s say we do 3 colors front and back for an initial 24 pieces, 6 medium, 6 large, 6 xl and 6 2x sizes. Do the math and we’re looking at $250 to $300. That’s cost. Of course, you sell the shirts at retail, for sake of argument, for around the $15 to $17 dollar range. Add $1 for XL and larger. Do the math again, $17 times 24 shirts equals close to $400 bucks income apprimatation. Not a lot of income at first, but the next time you get shirts made, you’re not paying for the screens, so you knock of cost of screens, and you’re done paying for artwork too. So basically the next time around, if you see a demand, you get more shirts made, since the more quantity of shirts you get made, the lest the price per shirt.

    Seems kinda silly for 1 person to front the money. So here’s my idea:

    We setup a gallery for people to submit their own designs. Just let the WP community, or ANYONE for that matter, come up with a design. Then the winner gets $100. Let it run for a couple months. Then let the community vote on the best design. Then the WP staff has final say, like judges. Then bingo! We got our design.

    Or, skip the whole input from the community and a few of us, or the WP staff, does their own thing. But the community is the way to go since, WP is after all, a community driven project.

    Besides, it will create buzz. There’s a LOT of talented artists out there. And you may end up seeing a celebrity wearing a WP shirt on TV or who knows what, in the paper, etc.

    Finally, the other point with screenprinting is choice of colored shirts. Black, brown, red, whatever. I can create a template for people to use, like an outline of a shirt in different colors, so that they have a “canvass” on which to draw to get an idea of how the tshirt should look like.

    That’s my idea. That’s tshirt printing in a nutshell. Anyone can do it. All you need is a vector program (just do a search for open source if you can’t afford illustrator) and an idea and design.

    apprimitation = approximation.

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