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WP E-Commerce VS Shopp VS WooCommerce VS JigoShop (16 posts)

  1. drtanz
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi I am in the process of creating a website for an importer who wants to showcase his products. There are over 1,500 products and they also need to be categorised by brand.

    At this point for this client I only need to display a catalogue with no options for actual purchasing, but he wants to be able to switch on the purchasing part in the near future if required. So that is my main reason for wanting to build this right now with an ecommerce plugin, rather than going for custom post types.

    I've indentified the following plugins that seem to be the leading ones at the moment:

    • WP ECommerce
    • Shopp
    • WooCommerce
    • JigoShop

    Given my requirements any tips for which one of these four would be ideal for me? I don't mind paying for a plugin.

  2. code-monkey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I would LOVE to get feedback on this too.

    I've used Shopp for a bunch of sites. It works, but it has serious limitations and has been pretty damn frustrating for the most part (although I have been pleasantly surprised I've actually had human support *trying* to help me along the way).

    I've heard WP E-Commerce is pretty buggy but I haven't really tested it.

    WooCommerce looks pretty good. C'mon folks, what's the best WP Commerce system out there? We are all dying for the best one to be made obvious!!

  3. code-monkey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    And also, can anyone tell me if you can export all your data from Shopp to get it into one of the other ones. I'm sorry to call WP E-Commerce buggy. I really don't have an idea since I've never used it. It actually looks a heck of a lot better than it used to a year or two ago.

    My money is on WP E-Commerce or WooCommerce as the BEST... but I'm not sure which??

  4. drtanz
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    One encouraging thing in favour of WooCommerce, apart from the fact that it is a fork of JigoShop (which was already good), is that the guys behind it know how to handle support and have the drive to make it the best.

    I'd love to know the opinions of others though.

  5. hyperking
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @code-monkey I have used wp-ecommerce for over a year on two sites. Wp-ecommerce is a great shop plugin to use, however here are some of my findinds:
    1: database could be cleaner (i.e having a separate table for wpsc_products) this would help migrations a whole lot. For now products are nested in the wp_posts table

    2: International Shipping is not available! which is why im looking for an alternative shop

    3:Customizing the shop is super easy!

    4: Admin Checkout form and Checkout Shipping forms seems buggy, but it may be me.( had trouble updating correct shipping totals )

    Woo Commerce thus far is Super Awesome coming from wp-ecommerce. Not so easy to customize,and the variable/attribute section pales to wp-ecommerce. I only wish they would have an option to set a global price for any attribute value and have it apply to any product you specify. Wp-ecommerce does this well.

    Ultimately its a matter of what sort of shop your setting up and how extensive your items are.

    Also look at phpurchase/Cart66 im liking the database structure a lot and wish the admin was better arranged like woo commerce.

    cheers

  6. code-monkey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks @hyperking. 

    We've now built over 50 commercial WordPress sites. We love WP and 90% of the plugins we come across.

    In short, WordPress continues to impress. However, after a brief early love affair, Shopp continues to disappoint. We now find ourselves desperately needing an ecommerce alternative. 

    What's wrong with Shopp? There are many glitches and frustrations that appear as soon as you start tinkering with things. An example? Try changing the default shipping option or re-ordering the shipping options... a nightmare. Try setting a tiered pricing structure for products... the Promotions options only does the most basic kind of discounting.

    But the worst thing about Shopp is the exact opposite of the best thing about WordPress: the user forums. In Shopp, these are closed to the public... open only to those who have bought the plugin. Once you've done that, you find the forums littered with unanswered questions and lost, disgruntled users aking the most basic support questions. This means that most of your answers can only be found by trawling deeply through the forums and the coding/lighthouse forum, with many of the answers coming in the form of user hacks and workarounds... some of which break and need to be changed every time you upgrade the core system.

    This is why I need to be assured there is a better plugin than Shopp, or we'll be forced to switch all our e-comm sites to non-Wordpress. Prestashop is soooo much better than Shopp... but why can't I use WordPress for ecommerce?

    We are WordPress developers. We love all that it has to offer.... except eCommerce.

    Is WooCommerce the magic, missing bullet? I hope so.

  7. saddusaddu
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    WooCommerce's support forum is also for paid customers only. I see no need to pay for woothemes, since I don't like the ones I've tried and they did not even work seamlessly with WooCommerce! I'm gonna go with woo anyway, just testing now.

  8. code-monkey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    This is the best info you need to know about Shopp (down the bottom!)

    Basically - Shopp would do well to let you know it's a bolt-on PHP system rather than a beautiful WordPress integrated plugin.

    Want to change things? Prepare for a crash course in PHP.

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/shopp-plugin

  9. vehicros
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    WooCommerce is a direct knock of of JigoShop, although Jigoshop has a much nicer look and feel, why the woocommerce hackers changed that I have no idea.
    http://yoast.com/open-source-forking-branding/

    Ive tried WP e-Commerce VS WooCommerce. and I like WP eCommerce becuase it doesnt have the problems WooCommerce has, However WooCommerce has a few nice features, and I dont mean the stupid Bells & whistles they add rather than resolving the important issues.

    The main problem is WooCommerce doesnt work with many themes, so your nearly forced to pay alot and become a member of their site to access the themes. Personally, I see many flaws in woocommerce, most are tiny, but even more reason they should be corrected. I also see lots of features on woocommerce that really dont work the way I would expect them to. Like the shipping options, WP eCommerce allows real use of services like USPS, and UPS, whereas WooCommerce does not. In Fact, a friend purchased a shipping add on from woocommerce, and it didnt work, I wrote to them, and still to this day Never heard back from them.

    Also, unless your site is very bland, and doesnt use a lot of CSS, they woocommerce would be ok. Otherwise youll spend days revising their CSS file to suit your needs and to remove all the crappy box shadows and junk.

    I Highly recommend trying each programs attribute features, this should make your decision on which one works for you.

    In the end the best thing to do is take the time and try them both. WP eCommerce is much easier to use.

    My advice is if you wont want to get frustrated because it doesn't work the want you want, or just dont have time to mess with it, I would recommend wp eCommerce instead.

    Both are free (if you can get woocommerce to work with your theme) so really we cant complain, right. Then again, who wants to spend hours configuring, and adding product just to find out the plugin isnt the best choice.

  10. stackaruk
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    WP eCommerce sounds like it could work for a project I'm developing. The site I'm building require a dealer area that is password protected so that they can place product orders on their account. No credit card or Paypal required at this time. Just an email notification of the order. Do you know if WP eCommerce has a membership password management capability?

  11. twolfe
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Having used most of the ecommerce plug-ins for successful sites, I can definitely say WooCommerce is by far the best in my experience. I guess it depends on your requirements and what your level of experience is. I'm a designer/front end developer and I previously spent way too long trying to get WP Ecommerce to work properly (I paid for the gold cart version as well as a few premium add-ons), unfortunately I never got a satisfactory result from WP ecommerce and it caused me a lot of headaches with things such as coupon codes not working, transactions not showing up in the payment history, and the support is shocking - don't take my word for it, have a look on their forum and you will see a helluva lot of unanswered questions. It left me with a bitter taste in my mouth because the site I used wp ecommerce on ran a massive marketing campaign and were receiving in access of 1000 orders a day. In the end with all of the unfixable problems my client ended up moving away (I know WP isn't really a suitable solution for this amount of order but that's another story). Anyway, after switching to woocommerce the whole process seems a lot smoother, from integration through to the shopping cart user experience - it feels much more like a true ecommerce solution and the support blows wp ecommerce out of the water.

  12. wpShoppingCartReviews.com
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I hope it's not sheer heresy to suggest this, but why not try a non-WordPress solution?

    There are many eCommerce scripts, services, and software which will work perfectly fine with a WordPress-powered site. Don't get me wrong; I use a few WordPress shopping cart plugins myself personally and professionally and have been satisfied if not always thrilled. But one thing I didn't realize starting out was that just because a site runs WordPress doesn't mean it actually needs or otherwise especially benefits from using a WordPress-specific solution!

  13. KarlEngstrom
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I've been working with WPEC 3.8.9.2/3 for the last week or so and the checkout breaks shortly after every install. I'm just about to test again on a staging server with fresh WP 3.4.2 & DB, nothing but WPEC and Twenty Eleven theme. It's been a pain, I'd like to finish the current customer's site & wanted WPEC but may switch to Jigoshop for testing...

    Anyone else having this issue?

  14. jpmizell
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    WP e-commerce reminds me of the plug-ins I like most on WordPress, simple, to the point, and por-gratis. Unfortunately, it's significantly less robust when compared to WooCommerce. However, with WooCommerce it seems everyone hits a wall where they're obligated to start shelling out dollars for any improvements, while we've been able to hack away at WP e-commerce.

    I made an attempt to integrate an auxiliary e-commerce solution into our site, but found many attempt to be TOO robust for what we want, as it seems the developers are overwhelmed with both the management of the commerce DB as well as the front end. At least when using a WP plugin, developers are focused first and foremost on the structure of the DB.

    Unfortunately, I've found no perfect solution yet, but will probably continue with what I've got working (kind-of) for now. WooCommerce. Else I'll just dumb the whole thing down to a Google store.

  15. wpShoppingCartReviews.com
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    jpmizell,

    There won't ever be a perfect solution because there are too many eCommerce situations out there for developers to account for...it's like expecting Microsoft, for all their well-deserved ill repute, to be responsible for all the different PC configurations possible....

    Best thing to do is to really understand the technological implications for your own eComm vision...so yes, if an Amazon or Google store works -- if your business can really be simplified to that degree (and why not? That would probably be a blessing in disguise -- administrative overhead is killerz), then go for it!

  16. KarlEngstrom
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    For now we're working with Jigoshop, of which Woo was forked. After continuous breaks in WPEC I couldn't justify spending the time in debugging. I need to get customer sites up & running.

    Our original game plan was running Squirrelcart side by side but turned to WP integrated solutions looking to "simplify" the architecture. With our clients in mind, I was thinking that if anything happened to me another WP knowledgeable developer could maintain & update their sites.

    Wasting a week on WPEC was a train wreck but things are moving along well with JS. Sure there's some money involved with extensions but Squirrelcart was costing about $170 anyway. In many cases less cost can be passed on to customers, depending on their needs.

    I hope that the WPEC straitens things out on their end, I'd like to try it again. But having basic things like a checkout page dissolve if shipping is involved was a deal breaker this time around.

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