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  1. SpelChekDevelopment
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Were you guys aware that the domain WordPress.com is available for free for anyone with a legitimate use for it?

  2. Sphyr
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I don't think that's correct. WordPress.com is registered to a Ric Johnson since March 3, 2000.

  3. Sphyr
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I don't think that's correct. WordPress.com is registered to a Ric Johnson since March 3, 2000.
    *Edit: Never mind, I see where the owner is the one making the offer.

  4. navid
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Sphyr, I believe the original poster is referring to what is actually written at http://www.wordpress.com/

  5. jerm
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    looks like the guy wants free traffic.. and he's not giving up the domain he's just "lending" it.. he controls the dns-es.. i say forget it.. wordpress isn't commercial anyway..

  6. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    One of the weird things of the internet is that people form opinions without all of the facts - or even without even so much as emailing the person in question (me!)
    Please see my reply at
    http://wordpress.com/archives/2005/01/26/about-wordpresscom/#comments

  7. RyanBrooks
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Jerm,

    Saying that wordpress isn't commercial is kinda ignorant. You may not have to pay for the software, but it is GPL which opens it up for commercial and business bloggers, even enterprise level. Maybe you don't remember (but I certainly do) the that Jeremy C. Wright wrong about WordPress on Business Blog Consulting, which can be read here. Let's face it, commercial users are using WordPress, and why not... It's only 1.5 (I say only because we're all so used to the Microsoft versioning system) but it's getting more and more powerful! How many corporate design sites or even designers do it? Print shops? Ford? GM? More and more of them are starting to use wordpress too.

    Commercial? No, you don't have to pay for it. Commercial/Enterprise use? Ya bet yer last dollar!

    -Ryan Brooks

  8. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ryan,
    This is exactly my point. It is not our goal to change WordPress, but to provide a place for developers and customers to go for commercial support. Revenue generated will go to further development of WP. We do not need a specific domain to do this - we could do it on WP4Profit.Com or such. WordPress.Com just seemed the best.
    May I also point out that some people posting on this thread have Google AdWords?
    We also intend to offer FREE services, such as quick WP installs at no charge, free hosting, etc.
    Any input would be appreciated!
    - Ric

  9. RyanBrooks
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ric,

    I can see how some people are skeptical of what you may be offering... Free installs? Hosting? I hope you're going to be having some kind of paid structure, cause to be honest sir, ' free' is always a bad business model. Not many take weel to change.

    Revenue generated goes to WP? GREAT! Fantastic! But why don't you leave the way money is generated and earned to the cats here at wordpress. If you're so encouraged about the need for enterprise level commercial support, why doesn't wordpress.org have it already?

    -Ryan

  10. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ryan,
    NOBODY knows 'free' is a bad business model than me. Trust me, I know.

    We were looking into the model that wordpressblogs and blogthing have set up - Instant WordPress blogs supported by advertising. Another great idea is what Podz does - free installs on a client's server in the hope they will contact the WP Pro for more work in the future.

    I thought the whole idea of Open was that people could contribute in their own way. Anyone can set up a server, generate revenue, and donate as they see fit. I do know why WordPress.Org or anyone else has set up commercial support for WP yet, but there has been plenty of requests for it. We are NOT WordPress experts, but we do have experience in business ventures. WordPress dot Com gets a large amount of traffic because people expect it - we should not throw that away.

    That is the crux of my point: WordPress.Com already exists. I think we SHOULD use it, and it SHOULD have a different function from WordPress.Org. Setting up a commercial site for WP is a GOOD thing. I am looking for help and advice from the community on setting it up. I can even let Matt use the domain as he sees fit as part of the OpenDomain program or even a democratic board voted by WP developers.

  11. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Actually, what Podz does illustrates the complete pointlessness of trying to set up commercial services around WordPress. I've tried charging for WP installs and customisations, but nobody's going to pay a another nobody for their time when they can get a developer to do the same thing for free. And only last week, another developer went ballistic when one blogger merely suggested setting up a paid support service for WP.

    You're trying to commercialise a culture where the majority think free as in speech must also be free as in beer. It's just not going to fly.

  12. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Dear Anonymous,
    Thank you for your post. I wish you logged in so I could reply more directly.
    I agree that there will always be detractors and trolls. I certainly would have paid for someone to setup WordPress for me. Someone with proven expertise on PHP and mySql that can customise our WP setup and save us alot of time we wasted getting everything 'just right'. There certainly is a market for paid professionals in Open Source
    Also, please note: I am NOT trying to change WordPress. I am NOT trying to commercialise it. I will not force anyone to my views - I want to provide an outlet for WP developers interested in putting bread on the table. If you or anyone else want to continue providing support and code for Free - that's great! We also want to provide Free help.
    However, there are some people that prefer to get paid for their hard work. We want to help them, too. And if we can do it in a way that can generate cash for WordPress.Org - that is what we want!

  13. Please understand that Anonymous does not speak for all of us. In fact, he only speaks for himself.

  14. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ric,
    Anonymous has, in fact, logged in. His member name is Anonymous as it shows.

  15. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    "Another great idea is what Podz does - free installs on a client's server in the hope they will contact the WP Pro for more work in the future"

    Nope.
    It was to achieve two things:
    - keep the stress levels of people wanting WP to a minimum
    - to tell people what I expected and what they got. After offering to install for posters here, I was getting emails about it. Much easier to create a page and say what was what.

  16. amused
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Probably shouldn't feed the troll guys, the guy is obviously just a squatter. I weird squatter, but a squatter nonetheless. I think it could be summed up thusly:

    Guy who has never contributing anything to WordPress before buys the .com domain. Instead of doing the noble thing and donating it to the project he seems to think that makes him entitled to be the center of some sort of commercial venture around WordPress. (Read: profit off other people's work because he squatted a domain, along with hundreds of others it looks like.)

    Ric, or whoever you are, it should be obvious the community isn't going to stand for you making money off them. Just let the devs know how much you paid for the domain and maybe they can run a fundraiser to recoup whatever money you've spent already.

    If Ric is determined to use the .com commercially and not donate it to the project, then we the users should start a campaign to correct all links that mistakenly go to WordPress.com (using technorati, feedster, google to find them), publicize that no one should do business with him, blacklist the domain, and contact his hosting provider.

  17. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    "And only last week, another developer went ballistic when one blogger merely suggested setting up a paid support service for WP."

    Incorrect. That developer ranted about an accusation that the WordPress.org support forums were failing. Later, the author of the comments withdrew them and apologized, and good wishes were exchanged.

  18. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    No.
    We should not.

    Live and let live.

  19. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Dear Amused,

    I TRY to be open minded and accept all input, but your ignorance puts me to the test. I set up the OpenDomain program specifically to help protect from Squatters.

    1) I can give several examples of domains that we have given to the Open community.
    2) None of our domains have ANY type of revenue - no ads, no pop-ups, nothing.
    3) The average cost of each domain is $3800. This is my own personal money. You have hidden you identity, so I can not know if you have done ANYTHING for WordPress.
    4) It is obvious you know less about Open Source than I do (not very much). In my opinion, people donate as they see fit. Some people are great coders, some people can test, some do great on documentation. Because I got burned a few years back by squatters, it is my ambition to help in my way - by giving domains.
    5) I bought this domain off an obvious squatter less than one month ago. You had the chance to buy this yourself, but did not.
    6) We are offering for the WP community to help drive this site. I can just simply setup a hosting service, or advertising, or even pr0n if I wanted. Instead, I am trying to help.

    To prove I am honest I can put it this way:
    I have NOT hidden my identity or my intentions. If any member of the development team would like to use this WordPress.Com as intended by the OpenDomain program, I will let any democratic community use instead.

    So, I am not AMUSED.

    Sorry to everyone else for the rant, but I DO NOT LIKE BEING CALLED A SQUATTER.

  20. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Podz-
    Sorry. I did not mean to speak for you.
    I appreciate your website, as it helped us setup WordPress.com very quickly with your tutorials.
    Thank you

  21. amused
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ric, I'm sorry I called you a squatter. It just seems your primary "business" is buying domains you don't use. You said "WordPress dot Com gets a large amount of traffic because people expect it." If people are expecting the WordPress project and get you, whatever you do, how is that different from phishers who register domains that sound like eBay or PayPal to draw them in? I'm not saying that's your intention, but that's what you'd end up doing.

    Let's say you paid $3800 for the domain, why not just ask the WP community for double that, then you've made a nice profit with a minimal amount of work and everyone is happy. Agree not to sell it to anyone else while WP.org raises the money and you'll be painted as the Good Guy who rescued the domain. If you want to "help" that's the best way. I would happily chip in some of my hard-earned money to the fund to buy the domain back.

    If you were just "giving" the domain away with no strings attached, why hasn't Matt taken it yet? I trust the WordPress developers more than I trust you, so there must be a good reason.

  22. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Amused,
    Thank you for the considered reply. Sorry I got hot under the collar.
    Now it is my turn to come over to your side of the fence: In some ways you are right. In fact, Matt pointed out some similar arguments when I first contacted him.
    Let me explain each in it's own part:
    1) Yes we do buy domains - to give to Open Communities. Because we control HOW these domains are used (for example we require no SPAM), we can be viewed as black hats.
    2) WordPress.Com already exists. People will type in dot com habitually - I can not do anything about this. Because of that, we should use the domain for something.
    3) I am different from phishers cuz I buy the domains from the squatters so that other people may use them. At Matt's request, I have posted a declaration that we are not affiliated with WordPress development (yet).
    4) It is against the bylaws of the OpenDomain program to sell a domain. This was set up so we would not be 'tempted'. If we could sell the domain, logically it should go to the highest bidder, and that way we can donate the most money to WordPress.Org. Of course the highest bidder might put up something really bad.
    5) You are very right not to trust me. I have never broken my word, but I have no clue who you are or your intentions, so I offer no promises. I did offer the domain to Matt, but of course there are strings attached. I DO trust Matt, even though I really do not know him, but I have to make sure what happens to the domain. For example, the blogging software B2 became abandoned and eventually Matt made WordPress. We want to make sure this does not happen with WordPress.Com

    Why can I not 'give' it to the community like I am trying to do? I invite any WP developer to join in developing the site. We can make our discussions democratic and public. We can have an Open book, so everyone can see where the money comes from and where it goes. Not only that, we are willing to take the backseat and let the real WP community drive the site (We are Microsoft developers, and though the WordPress software is easy to use, we have no business playing with Linux)

    How about that?

  23. A note to those of you who are just skimming this thread and shooting off replies, read this first:
    http://wordpress.com/archives/2005/01/26/about-wordpresscom/#comments

    And, consider Matt's stance as well:
    http://wordpress.org/support/topic.php?id=19079#post-125151

    Once you know more about the situation, your comments will be taken a lot more seriously. Otherwise, you're just adding to the noise.

    Again, do not skim this topic and add your comment. Read the facts first.

  24. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I think the main disagreement between Ric and myself is that I believe the domain should be used for the non-profit, free to everyone WordPress project and he wants a hand in some sort of commercial venture on top of the work of WP volunteers.

    I won't quote the email publicly, but he wanted to be a "WordPress partner" with "voting power" in the direction of WordPress. I think the best course for WordPress is to continue being a open meritocracy rather than being beholden to any commercial entity. If Ryan or Dougal or someone else who has contributed significantly approached me with the same proposal I would take it much more seriously, as they've proven their committment to the core ideals of WordPress through actions over a long period of time. Until he bought the domain, I had never heard of Ric.

    Also, for the record, I had contacted the squatter who had the domain before Ric but never heard back, and I also had the domain backordered so if it expired it would have gone to the project just like wordpress.net does now. If Ric wants to give (or sell) the the domain to WordPress, I'd be happy to acknowledge his contribution similar to how firefox.com is set up. Unfortunately it seems Ric's hands are tied by some sort of organizational structure in his company that prevents him from making those types of decisions.

  25. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I think what macmanx is trying to say is that perhaps this is not the proper place to discuss this.
    All my further comments may be found at WordPress.Com

  26. Well, I'm not technically saying that. I'm just suggesting that people know the facts before they start posting "commentary".

    In all honesty, this discussion does not belong here, nor does it belong on your blog, Ric. This discussion is between you and the WordPress developers and should be carried out via email, or another private means of communication.

  27. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    MacManx,
    I did post a reply on my blog, but as you said I may still post here, I must disagree with you.
    I did approach Matt via email first, but perhaps I lack eloquence.
    I think this should be public so as to be democratic.
    However, I am willing to listen to your suggestion to settle this. I will be available for a conference call for all the seniors involved if someone wants to set it up (Matt has my number)

  28. Ric, as I said, "This discussion is between you and the WordPress developers and should be carried out via email, or another private means of communication."

    There is nothing we can do for you here. We're all users here. In all honesty, the best most of us could do for you is offer you suggestions, the rest of us will do nothing more than the online equivalent of throwing beer bottles. No progress on your issue can be made here. Please contact the developers and carry on this conversation with people who can actually do something for you.

  29. DianeV
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    As a side issue: while WordPress is available for free download, that doesn't mean the developers might not welcome some cash. This is what the DONATE tab at the top is for.

  30. Ric
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    We have decided the best way to support WP is to step away from using the domain WordPress.Com ourselves.
    We welcome anyone interested in supporting WordPress development to review our open request to use the domain

    Thank you all for your comments

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