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[resolved] WordPress domain name policy question (20 posts)

  1. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hello everyone,

    I (with my group) am running several WordPress Networks and we have already employed more than 15 people on these projects.

    But I need more WordPress developers to make them work with us, only problem is that there are not any strong developers in our country - Georgia (yet). We are hiring developers from various countries, but we prefer to have local developers (because of various reasons, you know).

    WordPress is just becoming popular here - I mean - more bloggers are using this platform to blog but of course this kind of people isn't enough for us to work with we need strong developers and not bloggers.

    So, we have decided to create a huge, WordPress-related portal with full documentation (localized codex.wordpress.org), news from different, popular WordPress-related blogs (like wpcandy, wpmu.org, etc.), we are going to encourage people start learning WordPress, some of them will be employed by us, some of them will work on creating plugins/themes and they will just join global WordPress community.

    We are going to hire about 6-10 people for this portal (for translating codex, news, for support, etc.) and I am pretty sure Georgian WordPressers will soon join this awesome community.

    Why I am writing this here:

    I have read your domain policy and have a question about that. I think this policy is created because some people were creating sites with domain "wordpress" and they made people to trust them (as people thought it was officially related to Automattic, as domain was using their trademark) to download malicious software and etc.

    So, I think we are not going to do something like that on wordpress.ge domain, we will also write on homepage that this is UNOFFICIAL wordpress site. But we would also be very pleased if you give us official status (as WordPress representators in Georgia). This would make people think that SOMEBODY in Georgia is really interested with WordPress..

    Another way is that we redirect this domain to wordpress.domain.com but this is what we could do without asking you, because it is legal, but we are asking for permission to use this domain itself.

    I strongly hope this is possible.

    Thank you!

    Regards,

    Kote

  2. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I think you would be better served if you posted that here
    http://automattic.com/contact/
    I think this would be beneficial as the present Georgian community doesn't seem very active or up to date

  3. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi Samuel B,

    Thanks for suggestion, I will use that contact form.

    I think this would be beneficial as the present Georgian community doesn't seem very active or up to date

    Yes, though English is pretty popular as second language in Georgia, people is still very passive on global forums, because none of them are localized and they are somehow closed for them. Anyway, this doesn't mean that they are not interested with WordPress, they are - but this community is pretty unorganized.

    That's why we have decided to create this noncommercial project and if we say that we are representatives of WordPress in Georgia, more people will join us in quicker time as reputation is very important for people.

  4. TCBarrett
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Good luck with that kshengelia!

  5. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thank you tcbarrett!

  6. Actually I'd ping up http://wordpressfoundation.org/contact/ (instead of Automattic) as IIRC they 'own' the name WordPress and are in charge of its use.

  7. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @Ipstenu, thanks, I have just sent mail from that page.

  8. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Please do not register or use wordpress.ge, it should be registered by the Foundation.

    I'd also highly recommend doing the site as an official resource, which we have many examples of:

    http://es.wordpress.org/

    You can get involved as an official country representative here:

    http://wppolyglots.wordpress.com/

  9. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hello Matt,

    That is not problem, we can run ka.wordpress.org too (despite it already has owners, but we can contact them) but I am talking something like WordPress Deutschland - more interactive, more attractive (for large masses) and more flexible to do MORE things, for example - whereas ka.wordpress.org supports Downloads, About Us and Forum (with English interface), wordpress.ge (like WP Deutschland, above) would include not only forums, downloads, about us and news of our company, but NEWS from WordPress planet with different categories (like wpcandy.com), we would review many, many themes and plugins, we would tell users about new discounts of different WP Theme studios, we are planning to work on translating of WP Books too.

    And, at the same time we will run ka.wordpress.org (because it is official and it requires to be fulfilled).

    We will also work on translating various popular themes and plugins (including bbPress and BuddyPress).

    As to DOMAIN REGISTRATION, I could collaborate with WordPress foundation to register this domain and this is exactly what I am planning to do, BUT problem is that domain registrar (talking about .ge domain of course) has such rule:

    1.6 Registrant should be physical or juridical person, who is citizen of Georgia OR has right to live in Georgia while domain is owned by him/her. (Sorry for possible mistakes in translation).

    So, me - as juridical person (I am running company) can help you register this domain, that is what 1.7 rule says:

    1.7. Juridical person, who has no registered representative in Georgia, has right to register one domain name with help of juridical person registered in Georgia.

    To sum up, main purpose for me is to be official representative of WordPress in Georgia.

    Best regards,

    Kote

  10. Kote, in that case you would be better served by using wp and not wordpress in your top level domain name. Unless http://wordpress-deutschland.org/ has permission from the WP foundation to use wordpress in their domain name, technically they're breaking the law there (just as using .ge would be if a non Georgian registered it).

  11. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @Ipstenu,

    I am asking for that permission too but if it is NOT possible I'll ask WP Foundation just to register this domain name.

    Thing is, that about 150 people in Georgia had filled domain registration form for WordPress.GE and I have paid more than anyone in order to have it myself. I won't use it without permission I wanted just to secure it (there are many people who are talking in the name of different company with help of domain names, so I "secured" wordpress.ge domain and now I am waiting for permission or just answer).

    - ..and I think this is OK

    If you already have a domain with "WordPress" in it, redirecting it to the "wp" equivalent is fine, just as long as the main one users see and you promote doesn't contain "WordPress."

    I know that WordPress Foundation prefers to register this kind of domains itself, but they wouldn't be able to register wordpress.ge as domain registrar doesn't allow this (non-Georgian person to register .ge domain).

    To sum up, there are two options here:

    1. To give us permission to use this domain like Deutschland/Germany does. We would be extremely happy if you could do this.
    2. To give us permission JUST to redirect wordpress.ge to wp-site.ge or something.

    So, we would be extremely happy and extra motivated if you make German-like exception for us. I am personally sure that this will make WordPress popular in country, where only 100 bloggers are using it and no one thinks that WordPress can somehow be used as CMS. There is NOT anyone (in Georgia) who has ever created a WP theme, there are only 2 who created simple plugin which hadn't been updated for years.

    I, personally know Georgian internet-users psychology very well and I'm sure that WORDPRESS.GE matters for them more than wp-blog.ge (for example). This is what is specific for our users. Maybe WPCANDY.COM is popular because it doesn't matter for US citizens there will be WP or WORDPRESS in domain, but it matters for Georgians, so it matters for us.

    Let's once again list everything here:

    We would be extremely pleased if you:

    1) Gave us permission to use this domain AND gave us official status

    We would be pleased if you

    2) Gave us permission to use this domain OR gave us official status (which we could use on different domain, as you don't give permission on that domain)

    We would be LESS than happy and MORE than sad if you (:))

    3) Gave us permission to redirect this domain to WP-something.ge (despite it is already allowed by your domain policy) AND gave us official status.

    We would be extremely disappointed, insulted and disgraced if you

    4) Neither gave us permission to use this domain, nor official status.

    * Kidding about last one :)

    Thank you and waiting for good news,

    Regards,

    Kote

    P.S. My kind advice is to add wordpress-deutschland.org in your domain policy in order to prevent users from mistunderstandings.

    Talking about this one:

    <whine>But I see other domains using WordPress in them!</whine>

    If they're not WordPress.com, WordPress.net, WordPress.org, WordPress.tv, or WordPressFoundation.org, they're not allowed

  12. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Germany is a not a good example to follow because the site does lots of things we would never allow on wordpress.org and therefore is not a great representative of the brand. (Right now people, such as yourself, think they're official so in the future I hope they switch domains.)

    So to repeat, please do not register the wordpress.ge domain.

    There is a lot in development with regards to localized versions of WordPress, such as language packs, so my suggestion would be to try and make ge.wordpress.org as awesome as possible and work through official channels.

  13. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Germany is a not a good example to follow because the site does lots of things we would never allow on wordpress.org and therefore is not a great representative of the brand. (Right now people, such as yourself, think they're official so in the future I hope they switch domains.)

    I don't want my post to be reason of it anyway..

    So to repeat, please do not register the wordpress.ge domain.

    Thing is I have already registered it in February, this year but I have stopped after that (I haven't start using of course, if you try to enter it doesn't load). I couldn't see any problems for registering this domain, I saw problems about USING this domain.

    I have to say that, if I haven't registered this domain, one of REST 150 people should do this definitely and most of them don't care any WordPress Domain Policy rules.. So, buying first was ideal decision to prevent this domain from illegal use and have to repeat that it wasn't illegal move from me (as there is nothing said about registering domain). Internet users just can't see any difference between FREE wordpress.ge and wordpress.ge registered by me.

    There is a lot in development with regards to localized versions of WordPress, such as language packs, so my suggestion would be to try and make ge.wordpress.org as awesome as possible and work through official channels.

    Yes, I will definitely make ka.wordpress.org as awesome as possible.

    So, I will be really pleased to hear "summing-up-answer" on this question:

    As I have already registered this domain (February, 2011), I can redirect it to another domain, which doesn't include wordpress, RIGHT? (+ I will place notification on that site to tell users it is not official, official source is ka.wordpress.org)

    ---
    If you already have a domain with "WordPress" in it, redirecting it to the "wp" equivalent is fine, just as long as the main one users see and you promote doesn't contain "WordPress."

    ---

  14. As I have already registered this domain (February, 2011), I can redirect it to another domain, which doesn't include wordpress, RIGHT? (+ I will place notification on that site to tell users it is not official, official source is ka.wordpress.org)

    Yep :) I would make wp-georgia.ge or wp-ka.ge or something meaningful in your language. WPCandy and WPTavern are well known domains in the US and they work because the names have good meaning here. Candy, tavern. They're concepts we're familiar with.

  15. kshengelia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks for summing up, Ipstenu. :)

    It wont be hard for me to choose one of nice free .ge domains (as there are none of WordPress related sites on .ge yet). Moreover, I am running several large projects (locally) and even if I choose wp1sdaxdj23.ge it won't be problem for me to advertise it, but I won't choose it of course.

    Anyway, wp-georgia is good example to take into account (wp-ka is somehow unattractive).

    So, I will make this site awesome and at the same time, I will support ka.wordpress.org too.

    Thanks for discussion everyone!

  16. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 2 years ago #

    The Foundation has registry services that allow it to register domains in any country, including Georgia, so let's get that transferred as soon as possible.

  17. Ze Fontainhas
    Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    To sum it up, and using the most common setup other communities have adopted as an example, the best way is to:

    • Contact and collaborate with the above mentioned http://ka.wordpress.org administrators. These sites are the official distribution points for localized releases of WordPress as they have all the tools needed to integrate with the translation platform. Also see Matt's note, above, concerning language packs.
    • Use another site (a good example would be wp-georgia.com) as the hub for your local community. It's typically used for all you've mentioned that you want to do, i.e. news from the WordPress world, reviews of themes and plugins, and more.
    • Any language can have its forum hosted with us, too. Georgian, in fact, already has, at http://ka.forums.wordpress.org/. Since its managed by the same people as http://ka.wordpress.org/, it's the perfect place to start.

    If you have any further questions regarding these issues, feel free to come to the Polyglots blog, we're very glad to help.

  18. Sylwia
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Matt et al, would you look at this? http://wordpress-polska.org/ It's a Polish WordPress spoof. Not only do they pretend they're an official "Polish WordPress Distributing Company", but also offer a very old version to download. No doubt many people do download from them. I know that my friends did and were very unhappy about "this software that didn't work with their server".

  19. esmi
    Theme Diva & Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Reported.

  20. Ze Fontainhas
    Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thank you very much for the heads-up, we're on it.

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