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Why use raquo as a page title separation? (21 posts)

  1. gloddy
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Why are you using raquo as a page title separation? I realize it looks nice, but wouldn't a dash or colon look be more appropriate? I realize it looks cool, but it's a quote, not a separator.
    Regards,
    Christian

  2. Ozh
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    (i don't get it ?)

  3. Beel
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    It would be funny if it weren't such a sad commentary on the human species as a whole ;-)

  4. apoulemanos
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Agreed.
    And to actually answer the question, I think it's a matter of personal preference. Grammatically, it is incorrect, but so is any punctuation you use, because it's a fragment/title.
    I like them because they're pretty.

  5. gloddy
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I suppose I take issue with it because we work so hard to make our sites accessible and standards based. How does a raquo come across in a reader for the blind or smartphones or who knows what else? Wouldn't be more sensible to just use a : ? Perhaps I'm being silly here, but it does seem like a legitimate, if small, issue.

  6. apoulemanos
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I never considered accessibility... it's a thought.

  7. gloddy
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Items contained in quotes may take a different voice in readers for the blind to distinguish it as a quote. How would it deal with a single quote and no closing quote? I honestly don't know. Does anyone know someone who uses such a reader? Something to ponder I suppose.
    In the meantime, anyone know offhand what file I edit to alter it in my own install?

  8. gloddy
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Nevermind. Found it.
    wp-includes/template-functions-general.php
    line 93

  9. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    i seriously think parameters like these should be accessible from some advanced panel that can be incorporated in the backend.

  10. blueshadow
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I got rid of raquo in the title tag through wp-includes/template-functions-general.php. but now i don't know how to get rid of the extra space in the title tag. you can take a look at the code. please help http://www.topretreat.com/index.php/escape-to-virginia-beach/

  11. Umm, there's no need to go editing core files. The function itself is configurable. » is just the DEFAULT. You can use anything you want.

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Template_Tags/wp_title

    Example: here's " :: " being used: http://www.finalgear.com/news/2005/09/15/

  12. dylan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I've had this thread in the back of my mind for some time. The "@" symbol caught on like gangbusters, for showing the relationship between a user and a domain -- but there's no similarly ubiquitous symbol for showing the relationship between a document/post and a domain/section.

    I asked some mathematically inclined friends, in case they knew of a way of writing such relationships, and they said, "oh sure: Є"

    Its either html entry & # 1 0 2 8 ; or & # 7 4 5 3 ; (i've had to space them out because neither backticks nor < code > seems to be working)

    This symbol, when placed between x and y is used to say that x is part of y, where y is a set that contains y.

    I thought it would be a good character to use in place of the one that is technically a quote.

  13. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Cool, dylan. Just COOL. We tend to forget the relationship factor that MADE the @ symbol so instantly obviously perfect.

    Um. And before I go to make wholesale changes here: what's that thing actually CALLED? Does it have a name other than & # 1 0 2 8 ;?

  14. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I don't know what the name is... it looks like an Ukrainian palatalized E (read = ye). But it comes from the Old Greek "epsilon".

  15. jabecker
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    It's a lower-case epsilon. Probably because the "Є" is read as "element."

    x Є y is read "x is an element of y."

  16. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Even cooler! I can probably remember that *laughs at self*....

    Hmm. So is there an "upper case epsilon" then? Must be google time!

  17. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well, the "upper case epsilon" is what became our (Latin) E.

  18. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hmmm. The things they never taught one in school....

  19. thenerdsangle
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I'm not quite sure which symbol you tracked down, but ∋, (code number 8715) is the more correct character to use.

    It is the opposite of the symbol you listed and is read "contains."

    i.e.

    Some Site ∋ A page

    (read "some site contains a page")

    There's also ∍ (8717), which is a smaller version of the same glyph.

    And technically, the element symbol is not quite the same as an epsilon. According to the Unicode standard, a lower case epsilon is ε (949). My math professor actually writes epsilon this way to be sure it isn't confused with the element symbol. However, some people do write epsilon the same as an element symbol.

    vkaryl - you probably never learned this because you never studied Greek. It's not a common school class. I only know because my Latin teacher was a Greek major, so when she didn't feel like teaching Latin one day, she taught us the Greek alphabet.

  20. dylan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    thenerdsangle

    So, the chraracter I mentioned (code number 1028 ?) is for showing that X is contained by Y? Or did you only mean that it is only the mirror image of the character you mentioned(#8715)?

    If not, is there a related symbol for "is contained by"?

    It would be nice if there were, so that titles could be listed in either order: title first or section first.

  21. dylan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I found these, sourtesty of the W3C
    http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html

    <!ENTITY isin CDATA "∈" -- element of, U+2208 ISOtech -->
    <!ENTITY notin CDATA "∉" -- not an element of, U+2209 ISOtech -->
    <!ENTITY ni CDATA "∋" -- contains as member, U+220B ISOtech -->
    <!ENTITY sub CDATA "⊂" -- subset of, U+2282 ISOtech -->

    That last one would be useful to show that a category is contained within a larger structure.

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