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what is this layout? (13 posts)

  1. mxpimp47
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    here is an example of a wordpress theme "daydreams" used with a site. and it has the entries posted on the home page and when you click the post it links to the page where you can then comment on the post. i want to be able to have adds, and a menu for the navigation of the site like this page. i am new to wordpress. but i know how to do all the code. im new to php as well, but i run some other sites using .asp includes. thanks in advance for any help!

    here is the page layout i would like to use. http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

  2. alchymyth
    The Sweeper & Moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. mxpimp47
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    thanks, for some reason im struggling finding the information that explains the blog breakdown! i feel lost when it comes to finding the structure of wordpress. im use to working directly with the code in a site. i dont even know which is the main file to edit if i was going to changes themes i have loaded on the server manually! im new to php but i understand it. i dont know the main file that points to everything! i started browsing from within the links you posted and cant seem to find some that info. thanks for your post i appreciate it, and it was helpful!

  4. alchymyth
    The Sweeper & Moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

    i feel lost when it comes to finding the structure of wordpress.

    the codex offers a lot of information - it is worth spending some time to read through the corresponding chapters, for instance http://codex.wordpress.org/Blog_Design_and_Layout

    it also helps to post a link of your site, and to explain in more detail where you want to put the ads, for instance, which size they are going to be, what you have tried so far, where specifically you are stuck, etc.

    but i know how to do all the code.

    don't get intimidated by the php. you should be able to see the html structure behind that all. if you know your html/css, try to get the result that you want by making a 'mockup' of you ads and horizontal menu with html tags and 'selfmade' content.
    it is then much easier to show you how to include some wordpress php codes ;-)

  5. mxpimp47
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    i can make it look how ever i want thats not the problem. i actually educated my self to learn proper css and html structure so my sites are completely valid with the w3c. i was referring to i just didnt know the main file that has the page breakdown. so far im working with the different breakdowns of the page, footer, header, sidebar, etc. where is the main file that shows all the attached css, java, etc. do you understand what i mean? any index page of a site shows all the included files attached. and when opened in dreamweaver cs4 you can open the index file and it shows all the other files attached to that page. and you can edit them right there from within that index page you opened by clicking there tabs. thats what im trying to do is find that main index file...

    thanks again for all your info!

  6. alchymyth
    The Sweeper & Moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

    there is no 'main' index file where everything gets edited to make your site.

    wordpress works with Themes, and every Theme has its own index.php, style.css, and other files. http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development

    modifications, such as adding ads, or a different navigation, have to be done to each theme separately, i.e. if you switch the theme, and still want some modification, you have to do them again in the new theme.

    the theme files are situated in:

    /wp-content/themes/

    when you want to work with 'daydream', the index.php you are looking for is this one:

    /wp-content/themes/daydream/index.php

  7. mxpimp47
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    i did see that. i guess i was expecting it do be a lil diff.

    the only other question i have is- in the example i listed did they create a page to show the latest posts as a "home page"? and when you click on the post it takes you to that actual page created, and from within there you can interact? that is what i want to do.

  8. alchymyth
    The Sweeper & Moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

    to me it looks like they used index.php as 'home page'. wordpress would usually show the latest posts in index.php (although it depends on the theme, and you can change that as well). when you click on a post on the home page, it directs you to single.php where you can read the full post and leave comments (again, this can depend on the theme).

  9. syncbox
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    EAch theme has its on index.php, page.php, style.css, etc

    It is the style.css file that names the theme and that is used to select which theme is being used. You select it from your admin section under "Appearances"

    Every entry is a post in WordPress, though that seems somewhat hidden to most users.... Posts are associated to one or more Categories or... you can add a Page, which is a single post that is unassociated with any categories.

    As to WHICH FILE (index, page, category, archive, single, etc) is used to display the content pulled via the loop from the database, it depends upon the link or code. For example, if you set your homepage to be your blog, you are selecting (likely) the index.php file to be the file used thus its loop -- with any modifications to functions and conditional statements -- will display the requested content. On a homepage, that means it will display posts from all your categories, unless you modify the code to do something else.

    If your homepage is set to a static WordPress Page (a post that isn't part of any category... ) only the content in that page is displayed. Since there's only one entry, the loop actually doesn't "loop".

    Pages also have a simple mechanism to select a template (page.php is the "default" Page template; search the documentation to undertand how to create a custom Page template). Categories require a custom category-#.php file that is "found" by WordPress if it exists (where the # is the id of the category). The disadvantage of this is that it ONLY applies to THAT category (based on the exact id number). Don't ask why... I'd guess it is because categories and posts came first and Pages (and selectable and sharable Page templates) came later, after seeing the disadvantages to the existing method for categories.

    Archive.php is used when requesting archived stuff; single.php is used to display a single post...

    Basically, the template file used is "hierarchical" beginning with index.php. If no other files are available, then index will be used for all things.

    It's not like static html files at all. The content exists in database tables and is displayed in a file pertinent to both the post type (post or Page) and the the link calling the content (eg. a custom category-x.php file if it exists or the Page template selected if the link points to a Page) and the code and layout of the file used.

    And, sidebar.php and footer.php and header.php are shared by all the templates if you so desire. There's no requirement to have a separate footer or sidebar... they are simply just where you'd put common markup/code, etc that appears on all pages... generally. You can have different sidebars or footers or headers as desired but the get_header() or get_sidebar() or get_footer() function maybe wouldn't understand pointing to those... you'd use an include or require function instead.

    It all comes down to understanding the big picture of the difference between how a static site provides content versus how it's done for dynamically generated content pages.

    HTH

  10. syncbox
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    BTW... "themes" typically use the standard layout markup (xhtml) and it is the CSS file (style.css) that makes the layout different.

    But that said, I NEVER build themes this way as I specialize in custom WordPress applications where the markup is custom to the desired layout -- if you understand how the files are chosen for display, this isn't difficult at all and you needn't struggle to create CSS for markup that isn't appropriate for what you want.

    Of course, that means your files cannot be "themed" with official theme CSS. The price you pay, of course.

    On the other hand, you can do just about anything you want if you understand where the WordPress logic goes amidst your own markup.

  11. mxpimp47
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    But that said, I NEVER build themes this way as I specialize in custom WordPress applications where the markup is custom to the desired layout -- if you understand how the files are chosen for display, this isn't difficult at all and you needn't struggle to create CSS for markup that isn't appropriate for what you want.

    Of course, that means your files cannot be "themed" with official theme CSS. The price you pay, of course.

    im not following what your saying. what do you mean custom wordpress applications?

    i know i can make the css do whatever i want that is easy. thats controlling the structure of a page.

  12. syncbox
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I mean that you don't have to use theme markup to use WordPress. It's the logic (functions, loops, etc) that do the work, not the markup (html)

    I can build my templates using whatever containers I want and insert the logic of the application where I need it. I can have mulitiple loops and any html containers I want, which I then write CSS for.

    A "custom" WordPress application means I design my own markup and CSS and don't even use the same approach as ANY theme. It is NOT always easy to build out a design using the typical markup in a theme (whatever it has for CSS) because you are (by default) approaching the layout as a BLOG. I build sites that may not even HAVE chronologically associated posts in the sense of a linear thread. I still can *use* categories and posts and Page templates, etc by modifying the loop (or loops) I put into a custom page template.

    I never use the containers (#page, #header, #headerimg, #content or .entry or .navigation or .postmetadata) I create my own and build my own CSS for MY markup. I add the logic as needed, including multiple loops or queries.

    That makes my "theme" custom in more than just the CSS. A dynamically generated or data-driven website IS an application.

    I am simply putting forth that you can customize a "theme" far more than most ever do.

  13. syncbox
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    i know i can make the css do whatever i want that is easy. thats controlling the structure of a page.

    Markup and logic controls the STRUCTURE, not CSS. CSS controls the appearance of the markup which in turn, takes the content generated by the logic of the application and displays it in the indicated containers wherever and however the CSS affects the appearance.

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