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[closed] Version 3.0 Features (186 posts)

  1. jonahcoyote
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I agree with one of the above posters in that the widgets in WordPress needs to be improved a little more. The three things that I want most are:

    1. Being able to specify where widgets are displayed separate from the sidebar areas you've defined. On more complex sites this is absolutely necessary because you can only create so many sidebar areas before it becomes cumbersome. The Display Widgets plugin works nice for this but even that could improve more to be more usable.

    2. Being able to identify widgets separate from their display titles. This would also come in handy with very heavy widgetized sites where the title does not always tell what content the widget contains. This could come in the form of another text box that allows you to type in any name or title you want and have it display in the admin for that widget (not in the frontend).

    3. Establishing a widget with a visual editor and access to editor plugins and media library functions would obviously be immensely helpful and would open widgets to be more than just simple text content, giving them all the power that pages and posts have in WordPress.

    I always struggle with widgets for sites, trying to make them as user friendly as possible to edit and maintain but with the current setup it's still lacking some key features as mentioned above.

  2. r-a-y
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    One of the things I want is to retain users on the site.

    Right now, if a blog requires registration in order to comment, a user has to register and then manually navigate back to the post in question in order to comment.

    This is, in part, due to the way wp-signup.php and wp-activate.php work.

    By the time a user registers, they'll have lost the motivation to comment.

    ---

    This is a low-level request, but I would like to see some way to automatically redirect a new, registered user to the last viewed post so that person can easily comment.

  3. digitalaxis
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I agree with SillyBean, it is becoming obvious that WordPress is more that just blogging software! SSL integration for pages would be nice as well.

  4. Ian Stewart
    Theme Wrangler
    Posted 4 years ago #

    1. Domain mapping with the MU integration
    2. Drag and drop menu management akin to the current widget management
  5. jimisaacs
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    SVN Awareness - as stated from Jane's list.

    This is so broad, and I actually posted something about this here...
    http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=3347#post-14131

    Please don't take that post too literally, it is more about the thought process than a specific implementation. I tried to give examples of specifics, but of course there could be something so simple that I failed to mention, I would rather leave it open for some brainstorming.

    This kind of change is in my opinion the holy grail for most, if not all developers who are debating what open-source platform to go with for their next big project.

    I had this big speech prepared on why this is so important in open collaborative development. Instead, I decided to hold back, and just say for you to look one year from now, January 2011, to a WordPress that has still not yet implemented something like this, then tell me what you see. Even more still, look to a post-WordPress 3.0 development community, and how to even comprehend to implement this with each passing release, WordCamp, and developer joining said community.

    Try not to think of the current consequences of implementing this, and instead think of the longterm effect of continuing the practices of the current plugin, core, theme development process.
    The consequences are insignificant compared to the overall benefits this would have on the project as a whole. They are far too great to push for a later release, because with each release this kind of change becomes increasingly more difficult.

    It's like building a skyscraper on a fault line, then when your at the top floor and you find out the foundation could have been build to withstand minor earthquakes. Then planning for room access remains on top of the priority list, instead of addressing the newfound possibility of extended longevity and safety.

  6. Roy
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I haven't the whole thread, but to add some of my thoughts. However I would like to be able to manage with less plugins, I would love to be able to control how I install WP. WP is getting bigger and bigger with more and more functions I don't need. I don't need MU-functionality, all kinds of Ajax, Java, image resizing, etc., etc. functionalities. Wouldn't it be great if the automatic install would ask me what I want to install and what not? Butterflymedia said something similar: "There's a tiny step from "feature rich" to "bloated". Simplify it, make it fastloading, implement more plugins (the ones that are the most used), remove features that are not used." Mercime suggests: "Enable or disable multiple blogging system." These are the things I think about myself.

    Then Designoyssey: "Improve CMS capabilities to cement WordPress as most flexible/extendible platform." That would be a wish of myself too. I can manage with the (plugins) functionalities of WP at the moment, but WP could be more of a CMS.

    Also, I miss an important subject in this discussion: security. Some simple things could be done to improve it, such as:
    - Don't make the default user "admin", but ask for a username upon install (and enforce editing passwords every once in a while);
    - Don't make the default table prefix wp_, but force the user to choose it upon install;
    - Don't make the default uploads folder "uploads", but have the user choose a folder on first upload;
    - Take over a few elements of the Ask Apache plugin and allow people to put certain folders behind (htaccess) passwords;
    - Flexibility with default WP folders (renaming or replacing perhaps).

    There are undoubtely a few more things to mention regarding security, but these are the first that come to my mind.

  7. feastoffools
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    The ability to have one set of users for the whole blog "system" or multiple blogs. Creating new blogs but don't force people to log in each time they want to post a comment on a blog install.

    The ability to move blog entries from one blog to another and keep the comments intact.

    The ability to moderate all the comments on all the blogs from one page.

    The ability to display all the blog entries from all the blogs on one page.

    Otherwise, besides convenience, what's the point of having multiple blogs from one install if you can't get the content to interact with each other?

  8. John Lucci
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I think the 3.0 will better than the 2.9 and look forward to publishing it .

  9. Edde Beket
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    OMG! What a list! Well, you asked for it. ;)

    Why not make 3.0 the integration version of WP and WPMU?

    Thus, only including some features - for example (sub) domain support - to make WordPress rock for both single blog users and multiblog users. Any other added features would be part of 3.1.

    It might save you a headache not having to worry about new features AND integrating WPMU at the same time. Besides, this way the community has some time to come up with a nice list of feature requests for 3.1 (and possibly 3.2). I mean, it's not that WP 2.9 is totally useless without new added features. ;) So maybe you should take your time to integrate first.

    Anywayz, just my two cents...

  10. casabsolute
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    @edde My thoughts EXACTLY.

    Forget all the other feature-requests

    Just make the integration with WPMU rock-solid AND include WPMU core support for individual domain names (one blog can be http://myblog.com, another can be http://anysite.com, another can be http://anothersitehere.com - etc.) - and I'll be happy as a clam.

  11. braindrain
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    WordPress MU merging with WordPress doesn't really offer me anything. So, while that would be a good thing for many, there needs to be something in the mix for "the rest of us" who primarily use WP as a convenient way to quickly set up/maintain a "traditional" website.

    I think that canonical plugins should be a major part of the 3.0 release. This actually ties in well with merging WP-MU. Anything that is not essential to core functionality should be spun off into a separate plug-in. Go ahead and distribute them with WP3.0 (and possibly default to activated) so no one screams "what happened?!" when stuff stops working because it is no longer part of the feature set. This would allow some of these features to be maintained and updated regularly in-between releases.

    The only downside to canonical plugins is that if something in the core changes that breaks these plugins, what happens? Either insert backwards-compatible code until the plugin is updated or support the plug-ins to *get* them updated whenever a change happens.

    Some of the things I would like to see spun off...

    • User administration. I only use the admin account on most of my sites, so I generally have no need for visitors being able to create accounts.
    • Graphical editor. I use the graphical editor, but I know many who don't for whom it creates tremendous overhead
    • Image/Media handling. Same as above.
    • Comments. I often don't allow comments on my blogs, since I'm trying to use them as traditional websites.
    • RSS feeds.
  12. "The ability to have one set of users for the whole blog "system" or multiple blogs. Creating new blogs but don't force people to log in each time they want to post a comment on a blog install."

    On one MU site, this is currently possible.

    "The ability to move blog entries from one blog to another and keep the comments intact."

    Import - Export. :)

    "The ability to display all the blog entries from all the blogs on one page."

    Done via plugin.

    no point in reinventing wheels here. :)

  13. Mike Schinkel
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    @janeforshort while I definitely did think @Demetris was out of line regarding his "frivolous" comments, I do think he had a point about the bulleted list. I for one found your list very hard to read and comprehend given how you formatted it. But don't take my word for it, see what Jakob Nielsen has to say on the subject:

    http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9710a.html

    BTW, a bulleted list implies no hierarchy; that's what numbered lists are for. :)

  14. jonpeltier
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Could you once and for all really and truly stop the visual editor from changing HTML code that I enter into the HTML editor? Please?

    This was almost working in 2.8.x, but 2.9 has completely hosed it.

  15. paulmaunders
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I'd have to agree with @edde and @casabsolute and others who have suggested that v3.0 should focus primarily on the merge of WP and WPMU and making WordPress work better with multiple sites/domains.

    If efforts were focussed solely on this, it could be a much quicker release cycle than normal...

  16. aaron_guitar
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    In my opinion, the must frustrating thing about WordPress is its WYSIWYG editor. Every time I setup WordPress as the CMS for a client, I invariably have to apologize for its extremely finicky behavior. I have been using the editor for years so I know most of its quirks, but I still have issues getting it to do what I want it to.

    I understand that the editor was initially built with the idea of restricting the user's ability to add complex HTML and styling, which makes sense since WP was initially designed to be a simple blogging platform. Now that WP is evolving into a full-featured CMS, the needs of the editor are much greater.

    It would be a great service to the WP community if some serious thought was put into this. Maybe there should be simple and advanced modes for the editor. Maybe it should be completely rebuilt from the ground up. All I know is it's in major need of an overhaul. I get irritated every time I use it.

    My priorities for WP 3.0 would be the editor (and other related UX issues) and the integration of MU.

  17. dains
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Hello all. Not a frequent poster as I've been off pushing the envelope on other systems. But I'm back to looking at WP / MU as it is now supporting a lot of the features I needed to see happen.

    Since this is a request list, let me throw in a couple of wishes, as their lack has been big drawbacks to making things happen with WP.

    1. Front end editing with a rich editor.
    This is probably the biggest thing you could possibly do to increase the appeal of WP to the general public. While there is a Front End Editor plugin, that author doesn't want to implement a rich editor as they believe front-end editing shouldn't have a rich editor. I even once offered to support the effort, but it was a no go. So at this time, all WP authors are still forced into using the backend editor, which is a bad, scary place for someone who doesn't want to do (or know how to do) anything but post and edit content. Let the poor users stay on the front end and do their thing, and everyone will be much happier with WP.

    2. "Nice" invites. Provide a feature to allow all roles to invite people to a lesser role (editor can invite someone to author, author invites to subscribe, subscriber invites someone to comment). This would make it much easier for blog authors to build up discussions of topics by inviting other authors to throw in on the subject and for readers to bring their friends over to the discussion.

    There's more, but those are the two biggest "user-side" ones I have personal experience with.

  18. Joseph Scott
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    As many others have noted, the WP + WPMU merge is clearly the biggest feature target for 3.0.

    Beyond that, a general goal that I've had for WP for awhile is the continued expansion of the external APIs, XML-RPC and AtomPub. The ideal end goal is to expose all of the same options and data that wp-admin provides. We are still quite a ways from that point, but with each release I've been trying to chip away at it.

  19. cognitions
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    This seems a pivotal moment. The merge of wpmu and wp is absolutely right in my view. But if it is not given the space and time it needs, it could be disastrous.

    I agree with the earlier poster that such a merger is sufficient for v3 with additions to follow.

  20. mr.undercover
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Just found this string... here is what I would like to see added to 3.0:
    It would be VERY helpful if WP could have a native admin console to manage user rights, especially when it comes to:

    - Managing what users see in the wp-admin page, based on role
    > e.g. only certain dashboard widgets
    > e.g. only their posts
    > hide all site-wide stats on posts, etc.

    - Setting file size limits for uploads
    - Restricting uploads to specific file formats

  21. Dwenaus
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    There are many people that want more CMS features and others that want to keep the code base small and quick. Perhaps a solution is to implement the main CMS functionality in core (such as custom post types) and create a canonical plugin for the rest of the CMS features.

    This canonical plugin can be bundled with WP, not installed by default, but a note on the homepage similar to the note about changing your password could direct new users to enable it.

    Some things this canonical CMS plugin could support are:
    - better internal content linking (ie RB Internal Links plugin)
    - ability to change the name of a page in a menu (ie. Page Menu Editor plugin)
    - ability to exclude pages from the menu system
    - better reordering of pages (ie. Pagemash plugin) as well as categories
    - the ability to have basic and advanced mode for the wysisyg editor. In advanced mode any html you write will be preserved.
    - allow admins to control what users see in the back end to simplify their experience
    - bread crumbs functionality (ie. Yoast Breadcrumbs plugin)
    - Enhance wp_list_pages() so you can specify a start depth. Useful for showing secondary and tertiary navigation independently from primary navigation. (ie. List Pages at Depth plugin)
    - an option to redirect a parent page to the first child page, so that website menus work similar to computer menus. (This can currently be done with page templates but it is awkward)
    - bare bones, not bloated, links to the main social websites and social bookmarking tools.
    - ability to redirect a page to another url - useful when creating menus that go to other places. (ie. Page Links To plugin)
    - ability to easily make Pages the first link after Dashboard (not Posts). (ie. pages-on-top plugin)

    it would be great to have ONE plugin that did all these things, and perhaps more, where you could simply turn on and off each feature. Because the plugin would be canonical it would work with every new WP upgrade because it would be tested before release (the essence of canonical plugins).

    i bet a lot of people would jump on board to make this happen. With a trac system in place the above plugin authors could join their work together into one plugin and others could help find bugs, and assit with development. we would be in wordpress cms heaven ;)

    @paulox - great idea about adopting some of the advanced CMS features of a system like Plone
    @designodyssey - thumbs up on creating a 2x2 matrix about which items to implement, and doing the easiest, most requested first, them move to a few of the more difficult ones. and ditching the least requested most difficult. This thread is the source of that.

    I also think that domain mapping with the MU integration would be killer.

    As well, a default theme that is very well organized, well coded, and commented could be a great starter for new comers. A simplified version of Thematic would be great.

    many thanks to all the awesome wordpress developers out there!

  22. hpguru
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. prhime
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    watermarking is an important feature that can be built into a 2.9.x version as you have already recognized the need to managed media in wordpress sites with 2.9.

    if not, this is one feature i think is a must in 3.0

    No 2.9 compatible plugin does a good job of handling watermarking.

  24. Petester
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I know this sounds like some hard work, but I sincerely hope it will be possible - improve the posting interface. It's good, but it can definitely be better. Think about it, if only the posting interface in WordPress can make us dump software such as Windows Live Writer, I'm sure most aspiring bloggers will switch to WordPress.

    In addition, WordPress can use some more Ajax in manage posts/pages screen too, just like the widgets page. Users should be able to change categories, edit tags, or move page orders on one page without going to another. For example, to assign a post to a category, the user can simply pull the category name over the post title.

  25. Frank Strack
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    A critical feature that WordPress is missing is a standard Photo Gallery tool that allows for HTML (non Flash) photo galleries embedded directly into posts and pages.

    I would like to see the adoption and standardization of DM Albums into WordPress as it's standard photo gallery tool. Thanks to continual feedback from the community, what started as a simple in-line photo album tool has become a fully integrated and customizable photo album management system that has the following features:

    • Fully integrated with Post editor
    • Photo Uploading
    • Drag-n-Drop Photo sorting
    • Caption editing
    • One-Click insertion into post
    • Fully customizable UI (needs visual editor)

    For a full demo, please visit the Demo Site and please vote for this feature!

  26. Dan Butcher
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    First, I'd like to echo @jonpeltier:

    Could you once and for all really and truly stop the visual editor from changing HTML code that I enter into the HTML editor? Please?

    This issue is a huge obstacles to many bloggers who, for legitimate reasons, want to add html to their posts but also use the visual editor.

    Second, I want to add my support for requests to make the wp/wpmu integration a priority. As someone who uses both, integration of the two would be a major step forward in making it easier for me to maintain my sites.

  27. Rushplate
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Great to see you guys are taking a positive step forward in managing the project :>. This combined with the idea of core plugins puts you way out in front of most open source projects out there in my books.

    If 3.0 only includes the merge of MU I would be happy, god knows there will be enough testing involved in that alone.

  28. keppy
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Focus on the WPMU - WP merger. I'd imagine it's going to be quite a task and needs to work flawlessly. The new default theme should be considered as part of this merger. I think those two are probably enough 'big' things.

    Once 3.0 is out and WPMU functionality is in place, then the next item should be all the requests for more CMS types of improvements. Imagine how great it'll be to manage multiple 'sites' (instead of just basic blogs) all from the same installation. Since WP is headed in the CMS direction, I think the WPMU merger is crucial to that next step and should be focused on first before adding all the CMS specific things.

    And finally canonical plugins I think should be next. Things like better media management and photo albums/galleries should be a canonical plugin in my opinion and not in core.

  29. Bill
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    A lot of comments. I have tried to scan through most.

    I have a few concerns about the merger of WP and WPMU. I am anxious to see what is in store. I hope this merger will not break a good thing.

    I have used WP for quite a while. A few years ago I began to develop Church and Ministry sites and I knew early on that I did not want multiple installs. Originally I installed WPMU. It wasn't up a month or so and I hand to change host providers. That was some time ago so I do not remember the control panels I moved from or to, but WPMU just would not function after move so I loaded WP and added approximately 10 lines of code to WP-config file and has worked for at least 3 years. As hosting prices changed I have probably changed hosting a dozen times with no headaches. I could use wildcards and a single sql, but I do not want new blogs set up so easy. I have it where I have to use the control panel to create new sql and setup an addon tld or subdomain so not just anyone could create a new blog. Everything works with tld's and subdomains without any changes to WP-config or any other files. I have tailored a lot of things through themes and plugins for different ministries without touching core.

    This has been the simplest setup for a long time and have been able to upgrade core and all plugins with no snags or delays. I hope if anything the merger would make things even easier and not break things. When will we get a glimpse of the merger details?
    Although my setup works extremely well and I could be content with it for a long time. One thing I miss with my setup is allow full admins to each blog. If I could do all that I am currently doing and then as an SuperAdmin be able to setup individual blogadmins to each manage their own blog where SuperAdmin could choose which plugin and which theme is visible to each blog. That would be good.

  30. jmccann
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Hi,

    I don't know if this has been covered anywhere else.....

    I would like a facility to have a Tag cloud generated automatically for the occurrence of content on Pages (not Posts).
    There is a Tagging facility currently for Posts but nothing for Pages. I tried one plugin but it wouldn't install.

    I'm using WP more as a CMS and cannot find a solution to getting aa Tag cloud generated.

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