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Unrest among MTers expect a little flood towards W (43 posts)

  1. misskathryn
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I'm an MT user. Not impressed with the new price structure, not because of the fact you have to pay, but of the way that it was done and the limitations it imposes on the number of weblogs.
    I had used it mostly because of the multiple weblogs option as I have 3 weblogs that I post to. But I won't miss the irritating rebuilds that it made you do. :)
    I'm going to be using word press if I can iron out the problems that the options part of the menu is giving me....

  2. carthik
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You could use the optiondocs I wrote, which are listed at
    http://www.carthik.net/wpdocs/
    There's v2 for WP 1.2 and optionsdoc for 1.0.2
    Good luck :)

  3. misskathryn
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    thanks :)
    it's actually browser errors coming up. i posted a query well over an hour ago and so far nobody has responded.

  4. charle97
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    with that sort of attitude, the mt refugees won't be switching to wp.

  5. misskathryn
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I actually find that attitude quite offensive...
    I'm in the process of switching as I said above. Documentation, different features and forums?? Well I'll have to deal with it. It's my choice to change my CMS, nobody is forcing me to.

  6. tacojohn
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    To call someone free loading just because they switched to a free product because they did not want to pay for another product is offensive. And the features they are asking for are good features. I'm sure there's a few wp users who would want those features. I doubt that if the devs said "Who wants multiple blog support?" there would be a massive outcry.

  7. skippy
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    This is an opportunity for WordPress to really grow. As new people come into the fold, they will bring with them their ideas and modifications, and WP will benefit. Yes, there will be some growing pains on both sides, as "switchers" get used to the WP-way, and current WP users learn to help ease the transition for "switchers".
    What WillM worries about in terms of MT "demands", I see as an opportunity for the core WP developers to get some solid code contributions.

  8. WillM
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Yeah, if some of the people who have done plugins for MT start coding hacks for WordPress that would be good. What I am worried about is that we will get a bunch of people wanting something for nothing - taking the free software, demanding free support, and giving nothing back. :(

  9. charle97
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    you should be working for 6A.

  10. eric
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @tacojohn: agreed. but as the user base grows we may well see a few people who can't be bothered to read the docs and search the forums, and i personally would have no hesitation about calling them freeloaders.
    that said, a big welcome to all those other, nice, ex-MTers here! not that i've been here long or anything, but if i see a question simple enough for my inexperienced self i will attaempt to answer it.

  11. skippy
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Almost every online community I've been a member of suffers from the problem of people not searching. Even people who should know to search don't. For a host of reasons - valid and invalid - people post first looking to get a quick answer. That's just the way it is. Admonishing people to search won't solve that problem.
    And as for "freeloaders", the fact that WordPress is licensed under the GPL means that people are free to do whatever they want with it. No one is obligated to give anything back. Them's the breaks.
    A quick google search shows about 316,000 results for "powered by WordPress". Yet there are only 2,000 members here on this forum. Are all the people asking for help here -- those who chose WordPress as their first blogging tool -- freeloaders?
    This is a great opportunity for the developers to get code; a great opportunity to find out about new directions for WordPress that current users might not have considered; a great opportunity for documentation to improve as a result of direct feedback from new users; and a great opportunity to demonstrate the power and flexibility of Free Software.

  12. Kitten
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    283,000 if you put "powered by wordpress" in quotes.
    ;)

  13. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    "powered by wordpress" reflects number of pages not number of installs.
    ....so divide by "x" where x=???

  14. Lilandra
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    << we will get a bunch of people wanting something for nothing - taking the free software, demanding free support, and giving nothing back. :( >>
    how do we know there aren't any like that already? and well...that's life! and support fora are like that too

  15. carthik
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    anonymous .. http://2fargon.com/wplist is in progress
    WillM - This is not 'ours' and we can't keep 'them' out, whoever us and them are. Please think twice before saying something that could be detrimental to wordpress. You might just be taking away the only reward open source developers get, popularity and the satisfaction of having developed/developing a popular tool.
    Cliche - growth and change are inevitable.
    misskathryn - Is your problem solved now? If not, please describe the error as it happens, in specific terms, and give us the version number you are using...and someone will be able to help you.

  16. rayne
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I think there will be more people looking to switch from MT. But my point of view is slightly different. Yes, many will be switching for the simple reason of getting something free, but there will be a lot of long-time MT users that are going to switch because they feel they've been burned. I for one feel that way and I switched just after MT 3.0 went into alpha.
    For many MT users who have been faithfully using the software, the decision to limit features and usability that we've all grown used to is a slap in the face. Personally, I feel that 6A has decided the average blogger isn't as important as those that are commercial or personal business. They will bring in the money, so let's focus on pleasing them, but just for the hell of it, let's throw a bone to the "others" and give them a free version with half of what all previous versions of MT offered.
    I think people are going to be offended and hurt by the neglect 6A has shown. Many people using MT simply cannot afford to purchase it, yet they've help and supported MT in other ways -- bringing more users, lending assistance in the forums, developing plugins. These people are the ones that will be switching to WordPress and other blogging software for reasons other than money. I don't think it is entirely about the actual cost of MT. It's the fact that they chose to please those that can afford it and cripple those who can't.
    They could still have made money on MT, by extending the features in developer, but keeping existing features in the free. Plus they have Typepad (including Spain and France now) to bring them in money. That business ain't cheap either.

  17. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Everyone is welcome, whether they donate or not, whether they search or not, whether they switch from another system or WordPress runs their first blog. Willm, I don't understand why you're so scared of new users.

  18. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Yep! I read that terrible announcement just a few seconds ago - and I am ready to leave MT. Pricing and structur of the licenses is unpractical and way of the scale - either for commercial or private users.

  19. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I am ready to switch from MT to WP! The next free weekend will do ...

  20. carthik
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    5 -15 minutes is all it takes :)

  21. Kimberly
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Speaking as someone who wants to switch, I'm doing it because they did not create a pricing structure that is reasonable for my needs. I have a non-commercial group blog and $150 for what is basic functionality in the free version is appalling. What's more appalling is that this reaction was obviously not anticipated by 6A. I think the general concensus isn't about paying for the software, it's about a large, vocal segment of their users losing consideration.
    Anyway, I'm going to poke around. What I've seen so far looks great.

  22. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @2fargon - Well, I know that the install and data migration won't take long - BUT I need to redo my templates in WP ... so it takes a bit longer then 5 minutes ... ;-)
    And I will be waiting for WP1.2 final.

  23. ElaineNormandy
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I just switched from MT to WordPress today. I had a double whammy: my service provider refuses to support Movable Type any more and disabled the cgi-scripts. I went to Movable Type to download the beta version to install on my linux desktop and quickly decided when I read the new license that Movable Type was no longer suited for my purposes. I think they are trying to eliminate Movable Type as a competitor to TypePad. I tried the beta of Typepad, but decided I wanted more control than Typepad would give me.
    Anyway, I switched my main weblog today, and am quite pleased.

  24. WillM
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Agreed, people do not have an absolute obligation to make things better for everyone by searching before they ask questions, or by giving help to the community in their turn. But I would like to think they have a moral obligation. Sadly I suspect that there will be people switching to WordPress purely and simply because they don't have to pay for it. People with no understanding of the Open Source ethos that has made WordPress what it is. People who will exploit the hard work of the developers and the community for their own monetary gain. I hope I'm wrong.

  25. merialc
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I've recently switched to Wp from Mt, but it has nothing to do with the changes in Mt, I just felt that Wp offered me more of what I wanted and less of what I didn't. So far I'm very very happy with it. :)

  26. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    MT -> WP - I guess many MT people like me are wetting their pants because of the switch. Why?! I am - like many others - not a php nor perl programmer. MT was/is cool because templates can be EASILY modified without knowing either - just a bit of HTML and some understanding of these very easy to handle MT-tags was enough.
    MT also handles different types of archives VERY easy and they are ready made to use. Which almost everyone loved.
    Next big thing is the interface: MT simply looks very friendly, while many blogs - including WP - look very geeky ... a bit tooooo geeky.
    BUT I am looking forward to use it anyway.
    ;-)

  27. eric
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    constructive suggestion to help new users find info faster: put a link to the wiki somewhere much more prominent on the main wordpress.org page. I'm thinking right up at the top next to support, or at least in the sidebar on the docs page. There's some good info in the wiki but I for one didn't find it for a while, halfway down the body of the docs page where it is now... and it would have been useful.

  28. Lilandra
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    blogs look *geeky*??
    o no
    mine is geeky? :(
    but i would agree...i didn't really know about the wiki and yes i can follow the links...but...
    and i can't search for wiki if i don't know about it ;-)

  29. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Sorry ... I meant the ADMIN interface looks geeky ... ;-)

  30. Lilandra
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    *sniffle* ...okay...*sniffle*
    i have read that some people have skinned it or applied a style sheet to it tho?
    (i like it cuz it's nice and clean and uncluttered tho..)

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