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Twenty Ten: what is the future of this theme (21 posts)

  1. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    When WP 3.0 came out everyone was excited about new default theme and I as many other WP developers started to use 2010 as mini framework for the child theme development of new projects. There is very big advantage to use default theme as a parent theme, because you always know that it will be updated frequently, introducing all the latest and greatest WP features and it will be always fast and secure.

    But, nobody ever suspected, that 2010 will be default theme for such a short time :(

    Questions to WP devs:

    1. Will you continue to support TwentyTen at the same or similar level as Twenty Eleven?

    2. Will you introduce new features and tweaks to TwentyTen, like the once Twenty Eleven got introduced?

    3. It was nice, that Matt Thomas was dedicated to dev. of this team. Is he still working on it? Or perhaps other people will inherit this theme?

    I think it would be nice if WP team would value all the time investment of WP developers and would continue to support Twenty Ten at least as Semi-Default theme :)

  2. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Any word from WP officials? :/

  3. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I'll try and get someone in to answer this for you.

  4. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Thanks, esmi!

  5. Digital Raindrops
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I would not worry it looks like this will be the process going forward!

    you’ll also appreciate the fully HTML5 new Twenty Eleven theme, fulfilling our plan to replace the default theme every year

    The theme will work for a good while, until a WP or PHP function is deprecated!

    Using child themes it should be easy to transfer to Twenty Eleven theme!

    David

  6. dragonsjaw
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    So far the 2011 theme does nothing for me at all..
    If wp isn't planning on upgrading 2010 why is it still included in the 3.2 update?

  7. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I did ask earlier today for an official comment on the future of Twenty Ten but I haven't heard back yet. Keep an eye on this thread a while longer...

  8. dragonsjaw
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    And what if any changes did they make to TwentyTen for the 3.2 upgrade?
    Is it identical to the twentyten in 3.1.4? Please ask them that as well

    ~thanks

  9. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 3 years ago #

    No changes were made to Twenty Ten for 3.2 as far as I know.

  10. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    There were only few minor tweaks, that's all.

    I think Twenty Ten is much more capable being a universal micro framework than Twenty Eleven, which looks and feels more like a theme for blog.

    And it would not be too difficult for the WP team bring new things (like HTML5, random header or Showcase page) to Twenty Ten and make everyone happy again ;)

  11. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    But, nobody ever suspected, that 2010 will be default theme for such a short time :(

    Not true. It was announced at the time that Twenty Ten first appeared, that the plan and intent were to provide a new default Theme every year. Thus, the timeframe for Twenty Ten as the default Theme has never been a secret.

    And it would not be too difficult for the WP team bring new things (like HTML5, random header or Showcase page) to Twenty Ten and make everyone happy again ;)

    Patches are always welcome.

    By the way: "random header" is a core feature, not limited by Theme, as far as I know.

  12. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    you’ll also appreciate the fully HTML5 new Twenty Eleven theme, fulfilling our plan to replace the default theme every year

    If that's a future strategy of WP I do not think that it is a good one.

    That will force developers to go offshore in terms of selecting starting theme or framework.

    The proper strategy would be to have one flexible theme that would be updated each year with all the features, o perhaps a set of several themes that will suit different scenarios, like 2010 for CMS purposes and 2011 for blog development.

  13. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    That will force developers to go offshore in terms of selecting starting theme or framework.

    The proper strategy would be to have one flexible theme that would be updated each year with all the features, o perhaps a set of several themes that will suit different scenarios, like 2010 for CMS purposes and 2011 for blog development.

    You're misconstruing the primary purpose of the default Theme. It is intended to be usable, to be best practice, to highlight the best WordPress features, and to provide example code.

    Although it can be used as a solid Template for Child Themes, the default Theme is not intended to be a long-term development base or "framework".

  14. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Although it can be used as a solid Template for Child Themes, the default Theme is not intended to be a long-term development base or "framework".

    Despite the fact that the primary purpose of the Default theme might be simpler, I suspect that in the real world many developers are doing what I'm doing - using the Default theme as starting point and micro framework.

  15. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Despite the fact that the primary purpose of the Default theme might be simpler, I suspect that in the real world many developers are doing what I'm doing - using the Default theme as starting point and micro framework.

    You're certainly welcome to do that; just ensure that you understand the consequences of that decision - namely, that you'll have to change your development base yearly, or else, fork and maintain your chosen base Theme.

  16. Tomas Mackevicius
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    But nothing would go wrong if WP would change its plans giving a helping hand and putting more stability for semi-pro WP developers ;)

  17. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    But nothing would go wrong if WP would change its plans giving a helping hand and putting more stability for semi-pro WP developers ;)

    You're welcome to take it up with the core development team, but I highly doubt that you'll present a compelling enough argument to get them to change their current philosophy with respect to providing a new default Theme every year. :)

  18. dragonsjaw
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I tend to agree with most of what Tomas said in this thread.

    The idea that a new theme each year will highlight the newest WP coding is good, but just dumping the year old theme (2010) is not good.

    This new theme each year, sort of throws any one who isn't doing WP full time into a place of having to buy a custom theme that will be updated or learning a new theme each year. That seems to go against the idea of customization for non-pros. As it was even with 2010, we had to add lots to the functions.php file in child to make even core functions work.

    I guess I would like to know just what is supported in wp core package and not theme dependent.

    Just my 2cents..

  19. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I tend to agree with most of what Tomas said in this thread.

    The idea that a new theme each year will highlight the newest WP coding is good, but just dumping the year old theme (2010) is not good.

    Anyone is welcome to contribute to maintaining Twenty Ten or any other core-bundled Theme.

    Patches Welcome!

    This new theme each year, sort of throws any one who isn't doing WP full time into a place of having to buy a custom theme that will be updated or learning a new theme each year. That seems to go against the idea of customization for non-pros. As it was even with 2010, we had to add lots to the functions.php file in child to make even core functions work.

    I guess I would like to know just what is supported in wp core package and not theme dependent.

    What do you mean? Any given front-end feature must be implemented by the Theme; thus, every such feature is entirely Theme-dependent.

  20. dragonsjaw
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Anyone is welcome to contribute to maintaining Twenty Ten or any other core-bundled Theme.

    Patches Welcome!

    The point being that is beyond my skill set.. and many others who use the default theme as a starting point for customizations.

  21. Chip Bennett
    Theme Review Admin
    Posted 3 years ago #

    The point being that is beyond my skill set.. and many others who use the default theme as a starting point for customizations.

    In some regards, welcome to the Open-Source world. :)

    There are many, many options regarding Themes - including Themes that are designed to serve as a Parent Theme suitable for Child Theming, or as a framework for Theme development.

    Such Themes would likely be far more suitable for your purposes than the default Theme, because acting as a development base is not the primary, intended purpose of the core-bundled, default Theme, which instead is to provide a showcase for the latest, greatest, and best that WordPress has to offer.

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