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  1. avelvet
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I really must say that I am disappointed with all of the "hype" around WordPress. The only times I ever had this much trouble getting a CMS to work were 1) the first one I ever installed and set up (and I have done many), and 2) CMS's that were so hopelessly buggy that I simply flushed them from the server and used one that actually worked.

    That last phrase, that actually worked, is extremely important. I realise that not everything works correctly "as is" on every server. But every CMS I have ever successfully used had documentation with it that covered every aspect of the install in step by step instructions.

    More to the point, I have never successfully used a CMS that didn't have information in the <b>"Read Me" or "Install Readme"</b> file regarding the proper [em]permissions[/em] settings for every file in the CMS system.

    For example:
    1) Upon install I was not allowed to edit and update the Welcome! message. This was a permission problem that I think (I hope) I have resolved. I finally got the post to update, though I never changed any file permissions. Honestly, I do not know how I got it to update other than waiting 24 hours and trying again. And even then, it took several presses of the "Update" button on the admin post editor page.
    2) After unsuccessfully trying two alternate theme installs, I switched back to the default theme, twentyten, and tried to upload a new header image. It simply would not allow me to do so. I used chmod multiple times to allow write access and each time I changed it and retried the upload the settings somehow switched back to deny access. Again, after many repeats of this process it finally allowed me to upload the image.
    3) I tried to edit the "About" page. The admin panel shows the page to exist. But when I click on the "About" page link on the site main page, it leads to a "404:file not found". On the admin page, my edits are saved as drafts and show in the page directory. But not even the sample "About" page is available from the site home page.

    I have unsuccessfully found nothing that clearly describes what files on the server need to be set with what file permissions. Perhaps I am simply not finding the information. But it would seem to me that such a vital piece of information would be more prominent in the documentation somewhere. It has been with every other CMS I have ever used.

    Out of desperation I chmod the entire wp-content folder 777 and recursed into subdirectories and it would still show 404:not found when I click on the "About" page link. So, just for giggles, I have chmod the whole of every file in the WP platform to 777 (absolutely not a good idea for standard operation IMHO) just to see if it would allow me to add the "About" page. And guess what: it didn't. This platform will not allow me to add images, posts, or pages, which leads me to the only possible conclusion: the package is somehow broken. And I have wasted three days of my life that I will never get back on it.

    Please forgive my frustration. WordPress is an attractive CMS. And apparently thousands, if not millions, of people use it all over the world. But I would REALLY appreciate knowing where the secret key to making the platform actually work from the admin panel is. If it doesn't start working right pretty soon I will reluctantly flush it and start over with a CMS that works. I positively HATE using forums! I hate having to open an account somewhere by giving my email address for something that I have no intention of using more than once or twice. If it takes more than a couple of questions to get running, it is absolutely not worth using.

  2. Most of the time, WordPress works just fine with your default permissions. When it doesn't, it's generally because a server has non-standard (or unexpected) permissions, which is difficult to predict.

    File Permission Info: http://codex.wordpress.org/Changing_File_Permissions#Permission_Scheme_for_WordPress

    Also, the readme.html doc (found at yourdomain.com/readme.html unless you deleted it) has a section on Online Resources, which lists the codex, which has all that info).

    Out of curiosity, HOW did you install WP? Manually or via some script like Fantastico?

    1) Upon install I was not allowed to edit and update the Welcome! message.

    Given that the Welcome message is a blog post, which is stored in the database, that speaks more to your database permissions being off than anything else. A VERY rare occurrence if the install was successful.

    After unsuccessfully trying two alternate theme installs, I switched back to the default theme, twentyten, and tried to upload a new header image.

    What error did you get on these uploads? Usually this is caused by your wp-content/uploads folder not having the right permissions, as you probably sorted out.

    I tried to edit the "About" page. The admin panel shows the page to exist. But when I click on the "About" page link on the site main page, it leads to a "404:file not found".

    You may need to resave your permalink settings. If you change those, your server doesn't always get the right info.

    I hate having to open an account somewhere by giving my email address for something that I have no intention of using more than once or twice. If it takes more than a couple of questions to get running, it is absolutely not worth using.

    Sorry you feel that way. The forums are the support method here because this is an open-source tool and anyone can help :) Would you rather send your email to a nebulous company 'contact' form and pray they help you? Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    You can always read the Codex. It's user-editable, and we TRY to keep things current... Documentation is a moving target.

  3. avelvet
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Also, the readme.html doc (found at yourdomain.com/readme.html unless you deleted it) has a section on Online Resources, which lists the codex, which has all that info).

    I didn't delete it. The "readme.html" file proudly proclaims a "5 Minute Install". I'm not exactly sure, in light of that proclamation, why I should sift through "...the most comprehensive source of information for WordPress available" to make a "5 Minute Install" work at all out of the box. Reading such a tome, or even parts of it--if you can actually find what you are looking for--would obviously take considerably more time than "5 Minutes". :)

    Out of curiosity, HOW did you install WP? Manually or via some script like Fantastico?

    Manually, via Filezilla.

    Given that the Welcome message is a blog post, which is stored in the database, that speaks more to your database permissions being off than anything else. A VERY rare occurrence if the install was successful.

    The install appeared to be successful in that I received no error messages. And I have NEVER had any kind of database issue with any other install on this server. I create it, provide the username/pw info to the CMS, and proceed to customize my platform install.

    What error did you get on these uploads?

    Improper permission, if any error at all. I changed the file permissions multiple times and when I would try to update again, and either get the file permissions error or no error--the page or post would simply not be on the site--I'd go back to check the permissions and they would be reset to their original state! So, I'd go through the process again... and again, and again... until I finally just changed EVERYTHING to 777, went back and reloaded the pages (I even cleared my browser cache just to be sure), and still cannot write anything to the site. I went back to check and this time all files are still 777. But no success in adding pages or posts.

    You may need to resave your permalink settings.

    Huh? Resave something that I haven't changed (that I know of)? I'm dealing with the two default pages: the blog post page and the about page. I haven't tinkered with anything that wasn't already in the install... er, it won't let me?

    Sorry you feel that way. The forums are the support method here because this is an open-source tool and anyone can help :) Would you rather send your email to a nebulous company 'contact' form and pray they help you? Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    Of course I wouldn't want to send my info to some company. And regardless of the impression that I may have (probably) made, I support and appreciate the open-source community. Wonderful people, just like you, offer their time, patience and experience to others out of the kindness of their hearts and out of support for open-source projects. This in and of itself speaks volumes about the dedication of the user community to each other. Forgive me if my implication was otherwise. I merely meant that out of the 10+ sites and CMS's that I have, the only CMS that gave me this much trouble) and was ultimately abandon/deleted was Joomla. I am surprised that two such wildly popular platforms give me more headaches than, say, SimpleMachines or DocuWiki.

    I thank you for your suggestions and your offer to try and help me resolve these issues. But, frankly, I feel that I have wasted WAY too much time on this already. In MY mind, my only logical option to try and get WP up and running is to delete the entire site and start with a new WP download and base install. But using WP is NOT that important to me. If I'm going to do all that I'd rather roll the dice on another platform or use one that I have had success with in the past. I merely posted this so that if anyone runs into an issue of WP simply not allowing them to do anything at all to their new site would know that they are not alone.

    Thank you. And long live WordPress and the WordPress and open-source community. :)

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