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[closed] The Google thing - not discussed here?! [CLOSED] (103 posts)

  1. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Since 'we' are not allowed to post anything about the Google/Link thingy - please point me to an URL, forum or whatever where I can participate in this.

    This is a VERY bad way to handle this. VERY bad.

    Reminds too much of old politbüro tactics. I also find the whole 'Matt is out of the country' story a lame excuse. I guess we here in Europe have no internet, no internet cafes and don't allow strangers to use our PCs?

    No press release. No statement on the dev blog. No word on the homepage. Threads like this one get deleted/closed (talking to you podz).

    If you want to form a community and make it grow - then let is also share the tough stuff. If there is a problem - you get flamed one way or the other. BUT DO STAND UP TO IT.

    As bloggers we all know that you can't contain such a thing - it spreads like fire (and you even developed the software for it). So let's be real bloggers, bitch, rant, flame and blame it out.

    Earn your respects by being open about it - not by stonewalling.

    Thanks.

  2. icco
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    here here! id prefer some sort of statement, but if hes out of te country, hes out of the country.

  3. cedar
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Thank-you.

    When I saw this on waxy, metafilter and now slashdot I kept checking back here for official comment. With all the slagging of Matt and WP going on I figured it was only reasonable to hold off on adding to the noise until both sides were heard.

    Well, it's been twenty-four hours or so and last I checked they had the internets (at least one of them) in Europe. This is a big deal and it's not going away, no matter how many forum threads get disappeared.

  4. idbehold
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    WTF are you talking about?

  5. cedar
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    idbehold: here.

  6. kmtcn
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    100,000 hidden articles here?

    Are you out of your mind?

    Have all WP users simply been used as shills?

    Thanks for taking advantage... I'm posting a disclaimer on my site and looking for an alternative to 'wp', which now means 'wicked promotion'.

  7. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @kmtcn: WickedPromotion.org - excellent one. ;-)

  8. rgalgon
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    People are reacting way too harshly at this, failing to understand, or even think about the 'real' world. Give him the benefit of the doubt. Don't knee-jerk, don't make a straw man out of your opponent. And realize that this is not a utopian world.

    If this bothers you, or if you care in the slightest way at all, goto the Donate page and send something to WP.

    Open Source is only as good as its community. So help build a good thriving community.

  9. dave_merwin
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I agree about being open about it. I would love to discuss with whomever made the decision to hide the stuff why they made that decision.

    However... Lets remember that the product itself is awesome. And just because some one does something that does not agree with you, does not somehow "taint" the product.

    The current rants and raves are like criticizing all hammers cause the inventor killed one with it. Sill arguments. I know, I know, a little dramatic.

    Lets talk about it. The software is open source after all. Matt, podz, and everyone else have put blood sweat and tears into writing it. But it does not belong to them. It belongs to all of us. If this all goes south, we can keep the ap going.

    So, lets argue about the decisions that were made. What is up with that? However, at the end of the day, WordPress rocks. And it belongs to all of us.

  10. Ryan Boren
    WordPress Dev
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Jonas is accepting flames in his comments if you want to join in over there.

    Matt is on vacation and is the only person who can comment on the matter. I'm sure he'll post about it once he finds out. He might even open comments on the post so that everyone can vent their spleen.

  11. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @rgalgon: I donated 50$ of my hard earned money after 1.5 was released. I don't have much free time - but I spent some already in the support forum as well - although I am not very good in solving technical problems.

    Does 'the benefit of doubt' include patience?

    As any blogger knows 'news travells fast in the blogosphere'. So the drivers in the seat of WordPress.org should not wait for the crash - it already happened.

    Plus: so far I haven't called for anyones head or something. All I want is some answers - and a plattform to talk about it.

  12. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @ryan: Excellent suggestion - but the problem is HERE, so we should be able to talk here. Right?!

  13. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    ...........

  14. Ryan Boren
    WordPress Dev
    Posted 9 years ago #

    orangeguru, the comment section of Jonas' post would be a more appropriate place to ask for heads, but if you want to speculate and call for heads here, go for it. The attempts by our support mavens to prevent the support forums from devolving into a chat room are admirable, but sometimes one must capitulate to the human need to speculate out of ignorance.

  15. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I have every confidence that the response of the vast majority of WP users to this issue is going to be considered, measured, and restrained. As it should be.

  16. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @ryan: Please calm down. Asking questions is not ignorance. It's a support call/posting to get my puny human self up to date - and get some plattform to bond/talk/whatever with my fellow WP's.

    Is talking about this so off topic, dangerous or obnoxious that it has to be moderated?!

  17. Just to clear a few things up:

    1. Google has not banned WordPress.

    2. Matt is in Europe. You will not get anything resembling an official response until he returns.

    3. A rebuttal from a WordPress employee can be found here: http://www.jluster.org/2005/03/spam-matt-wordpressorg-and-i-am-exhausted-bad-mix

    4. Read the following post before considering a reply to this topic: http://wordpress.org/support/topic.php?id=29348#post-165224

    Thank you for your consideration. This is a support forum, we are trying to help individuals with real problems, please leave the politics out of it.

  18. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    orangeguru: Ryan calm down? I must be reading a different Ryan, cuz I can't read his comments as anything but calm.

    Anyway, this topic is hardly dangerous (if still non-support related), and rather it's how some people comment on it that will tend to need moderating.

  19. cedar
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ryan, I'm not sure you can chalk our questions up to ignorance.

    A couple of facts are indisputable. Firstly, there are better than 150k pages on this server produced by Hot Nacho. Secondly, on the front page of WordPress.org is a bit of CSS that hides several links in direct conflict with Google's policy.

    Those are facts. What is missing is comment from the lead developer and owner of the site. I'm certainly not qualified to comment on Mr. Mullenwegs motives but I am quite capable of stating that this is something that reflects on more than just one person.

  20. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    "What is missing is comment from the lead developer and owner of the site."
    The reason why has been given.

    "I am quite capable of stating that this is something that reflects on more than just one person."
    No you are most certainly not.

    Wait until Matt gets back.

    (Note: This is exactly the sort of stuff I did not want to see here. It's a SUPPORT FORUM !)

  21. kmtcn
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    re. 'rebuttal'...

    ...please, please, please stop calling it “Spamming�

    When someone else games the system (blog flood-posting by robots) it's spam.... When you game the system, it's not - Thanks for clearing that up. Again....are you out of your mind?

    Politics? ...what? This is about money!!! And how 100,000 users were bent over a digital barrel without their consent.

    It's wrong....got it? All those 100,000 downloads of WP meant one thing: deception.

    It's done and it's out and any effort to whitewash it is too late.

    I've clipped all backlinks to the WP site and recommend the same for anyone else that dissaproves of this type of abuse.

  22. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    FFS

  23. Arlo
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well the intarweb chowderheads are jumping all over this as they do with every "Open Source Hero Turned Capitalist Scum Scandal of the Week". Hey, if it bleeds it leads, right?

    When the dust settles and Matt responds, this will be ancient history. Till then, uh, I guess we can chuckle at all the anonymous rantings of self-righteously indignant morons?

  24. Ryan Boren
    WordPress Dev
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Speculating out of ignorance is a term an old humanities professor of mine liked to use. Speculation requires a certain amount of ignorance, that's why it's speculation. Regardless, let's say "idly gossiping before all the facts are in" instead.

    I know nothing about the matter beyond what I have read in the various flaming threads. I'm not qualified to comments on Matt's motives either, which is why I'm refusing to speculate about what they may be.

  25. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    Last from me for now:

    Putting aside how I feel about this, in reality it didn't do anything to me. Digitally or otherwise.

  26. Just to clear a few things up:

    1. Google has not banned WordPress.

    2. Matt is in Europe. You will not get anything resembling an official response until he returns.

    3. A rebuttal from a WordPress employee can be found here: http://www.jluster.org/2005/03/spam-matt-wordpressorg-and-i-am-exhausted-bad-mix

    4. Read the following post before considering a reply to this topic: http://wordpress.org/support/topic.php?id=29348#post-165224

    Thank you for your consideration. This is a support forum, we are trying to help individuals with real problems, please leave the politics out of it.

  27. Arlo
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    macmanx, is the irony lost on you that you're spamming the boards here with that post? (twice in this thread alone!)

  28. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @Arlo: I don't think the web or the blogosphere ever forgets anything? And bad press has the nasty habit to stick forever as a halftruth: "Ever tried WordPress?" - "Isn't that this google spamming software."

    (Yeah, I know it's neither.)

  29. Is the irony lost that nobody is reading that? You know, I come here every day and spend a good amount of hours supporting people, people who are thankful for that support. And, I'm still amazed that ignorant pieces of work still infect this world. Leave this topic alone, nothing will be accomplished by its existence.

    Never mind, I guess I don't do anything here but spam threads. I honestly don't know why I waste my time (at least 3-6 hours/day depending on the day) here. It will never change the fact that certain people still exist.

  30. orangeguru
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @podz: I am sorry for the pain I have caused you. Make it two beers of forgiveness. ;-)

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