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Suggested changes to WP terminology (15 posts)

  1. hooopla
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    A couple of terms that appeared with 1.5 strike me as less than helpful for new users.

    Theme: To me, "theme" sounds like skinning. What this terms doesn't convey is that it's a way of not only controlling the appearance of a site, but also the content.

    Page: This is such a generic term that it really doesn't mean anything -- for instance, it doesn't make clear the distinction between dynamic and static.

    Does anyone else find this vagueness irritating? Any suggestions for better terminology?

  2. notthatugly
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    What are your suggestions?

  3. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    Shouldn't a post called "suggested changes" actually provide suggestions? Sorry, just razzing on the terminology... :)

    I have no problem with 'Theme'. Precedence was already set pre-1.5 for the term 'skinning' to refer simply to stylesheet modifications (a definition which is not of WP origins). Since theming in most software parlance describes a large number of material changes to the visual form, and which can include content-ual elements, it fits to a good degree here.

    As for 'Page', I'm all for fixin' that one up. However, I've yet to see a good replacement...suggested.

  4. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Themes do not change content.

  5. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "Themes do not change content."

    I think what hooopla was referring to here is how some of what can be considered a blog's main content *features* may not be displayed, depending on the theme.

  6. hooopla
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Themes do not change content.

    From the reader's perspective, they can. You use the index.php file to control what appears on a page, in what order, etc. From the new WP user's perspective, that isn't obvious.

    I may be slow, but it took a lot of reading of the codex before I realized that.

  7. hooopla
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    What are your suggestions?

    Well, I wasn't going to make any unless others thought it was worthwhile. To be honest, I haven't thought about alternatives but I don't mind starting.

    For "page", how about using "static page"?

  8. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Themes alter presentation.
    Themes alter what the user has put in looks like but they do not alter what the content actually is. You can use the Theme Viewer as much as you want - it will not change the content.

  9. MichaelH
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Document?
    WPage?
    Unit?
    Leaf?
    Folio?

  10. jennmiller
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Themes don't change the content in one context, but they can very much change the "content" a visitor sees. The amount of information in sidebars can be greatly reduced or even left out of themes on any given site. To a visitor, it could appear to be a very different site.

  11. Lorelle
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    This has long been debated and no one has yet come up with a good enough name that has made the developers sit up and take notice. Here are more suggestions that have been posted widely.

    # Pane
    # Shell
    # Sheet
    # Partition
    # Facade
    # Folio
    # Spread
    # Leaf
    # Panel
    # Record

    Unfortuantely, a web page is a web page and a Page is a non-static, static web page and a post has it's own characteristics and here we are.

    By the way, there is a great explanation of the words used by WordPress at http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Semantics

  12. hooopla
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Themes don't change the content in one context, but they can very much change the "content" a visitor sees.

    Exactly.

    Unfortuantely, a web page is a web page and a Page is a non-static, static web page and a post has it's own characteristics and here we are.

    The ineffectiveness of "page" is indicated pretty clearly by the number of times you see it in quotes here in the forum. A search for \"page\" brings up a zillion hits.

    By the way, there is a great explanation of the words used by WordPress at http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Semantics

    Thanks, Lorelle. I'll take a look.

  13. notthatugly
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    It's interesting how that article resorts to 'WordPress Page' when defining 'page', so an alternative title is clearly needed. (I like WPage best of those suggested so far).

    And of course themes can control content. I can fill a whole sidebar full of text which appears in one theme and not in another. It may not be stored in the WordPress database, but if it's not content, what is it? Decoration?

  14. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    For me, content is something I have added.
    So by that, I do not believe that a theme can add content.

    It may change presentation of what I have added, but a theme, on it's own, cannot add content.

  15. shadow
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    After reading the posts on this page and analysing the content, who knows what to think now.

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