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spam karma doesnt work.. (26 posts)

  1. john1000
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    ok sorry but i got the proof of it.
    i installed it as it should and done everything but just this submitted...
    Author : phentermine (IP: 80.58.46.235 , 80.58.46.235.proxycache.rima-tde.net)
    E-mail : gocha9435@does.it
    URL : http://www.I'm_a_stupid_spammer.com
    the website url is even added by hand and as you see....
    it doesnt work....
    (the url is added by hand as "blacklisted")
    And why isnt it blocked because i added the url....http://www.best-deals-phentermine.com
    so if this continues im going for another blog cause this sucks.
    im wasting time deleting this stuff whole damn day.
    [Moderated - spammers url removed]

  2. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Here are some more constructive suggestions:
    1. Closing comments WON'T stop spam unless you actually delete all the php files related to comments. If you don't do that you will still have to delete the spams even if they're not appearing, so you might as well keep comments open and send everything to moderation.
    2. It's not WordPress's fault if a plugin doesn't work, try another plugin and see if it does the job better. There are so many spam plugins out there and new ones coming out all the time, don't give up because one didn't do everything you want! You might need a combination of plugins to give you the protection you need. I believe spam karma is quite a new plugin so you can't expect it to be perfect yet.
    3. Don't give up on your blog, that would be letting the spammers win! I know it's frustrating having to delete their crap all the time but why should you let other people dictate what software you use or force your site offline?

  3. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    John - if one plugin doesn't suit, try another.
    I'm using Kitten's plugins on 3 sites and I don't see any spam at all. None.
    And like NM says - once the spammers work round plugin code, they'll hit. That's the spammers to be shouted at, not the plugin authors.

  4. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    john1000,
    If you create a program that does everything for everybody, and includes all of this in the core, then you get a huge, bloated, complex, unruly, and unmanageable program.
    Better to create a way for folks to create a task-specific module, or plugin, and keep the main program lean and mean. In this way, you can very easily customize your own installs. That way, if you don't want the capability to display your current "Listening to this song on my iPod" function, you don't have to install the plugin.
    Extensibility makes a program ultimately flexible, and it also spreads the workload out among many folks. Additionally, you find that people create plugins in their main interest areas, so you can probably assume that they have a vested interest on making a good product. Also, some folks don't have the programming skills to work on the core itself, but can happily develop skills and create useful additions at the plugin level.

  5. john1000
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    well i can understand all that,but as for 2 or 3 weeks ago i didnt had any spam to my comments.
    it just started..
    and its all great that scripts are created for free but 4 plugins ?
    isnt that a little bit to much ....and i still get them..
    so what can i shutdown ?
    and what i dont understand is that ive tried 2 webadresses and they dont excist.....weird.
    and it seems that they find my stories that still has the comments open.
    cause when they added a comment ive closed the option to comment...
    but weird is that they find them somehow...
    cause they are bots....right ?
    so how do i close the comments down ?
    ive done that in the administration but that doesnt override...
    ideas ?

  6. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    There are several other anti-spam techniques which you could try: http://www.tamba2.org.uk/wordpress/spam/

  7. john1000
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    well im trying a few things out now.
    i still get spammed but they are not waiting to be moderated..
    they are not there...
    but thats just the same problem we have with the usual spam.
    This is done by bots so why not developing something that stops that..?
    These developed anti spam scripts plugins are nice but the actual spammer still delivers his spam...
    Simply because its wasted BUT not rejected or even kicked out ,....
    So its the same idea behind spam....a mail is send and if the address doesnt excist it get bounced.

  8. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    You can't develop the end-all solution to spam, because the bot devs will find away around it. The best way to deal with it is to use a myriad of plugins and continue to update to the latest anti-spam methods.

  9. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I'm glad someone finally said it. Mind if I quote you in the future?

  10. moshu
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    :)

  11. drdave
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I would be immensely curious to know why my reply to John1000 was unilaterally erased from this thread without notice.
    Granted it contained [duly tagged] profanity, but that doesn't change a thing to the spirit of the rest, which I felt was quite important as to the matter at hand...
    It would have been nice to at least contact me by mail about it.

  12. DianeV
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    john1000, if you're thinking that changing to another blog software will spare you from spammers, I think you'll find it's quite otherwise.

    drdave, that might have been nice; sometimes things don't go that way, though.

  13. kyte
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I was in a much worse state, commentspamwise, when I was using a different blog script. WordPress at least has comment moderation, and now a blacklist hole which does seem to work. I am waiting for the weekend when the spammer seems to have more time to devote to his foolishness. I have to say that none of the plugins have worked all that well for me except an earlier spaminator... the blackhole i like. I have added the newly fashionable asciii-coded names and they get taken out very nicely. (theres another thread about the comments still showing in the database/dashboard but I wont go into that here)

  14. ccs178
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Spam Karma works great for me. At the moment. I installed it last night in the middle of a spam flood. It killed the flood and cleaned up the aftermath almost immediately.

  15. angsuman
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

  16. tom_raftery
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    john1000, if you take appropriate measures, you shouldn't need any anti-comment-spam plugins.

    I de-activated all my comment spam plugins over two weeks ago and turned off comment moderation - and not a single spam has made it through my defences.

    Previous to that I was getting dozens of spams per night.

    I posted about how I was able to achieve this here

  17. Minna
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I hacked wp-comments-post a little to not let any card game related comments through. All of them got stuck in the spam net (like fish net, you know), though, but just seeing those red boxes in the comment editing drove me up a wall... I'd had enough. :)
    I also hate that the spam comments are incrementing the id number...

  18. tom_raftery
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    See my post Minna

  19. Minna
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I don't know if it's because of SpamKarma, but the words in blacklist don't make the comments deleted, just stored (as I think WP is planned to work, anyway). I just don't like seeing them and storing them, be it a future feature or whatever. Anyway, I'm not here to be a helpee :)

  20. GreenRedBrownell
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Tom Raftery's link to his anti-spam solution looks broken, so try this one instead...

  21. angsuman
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @Minna You have noticed a WordPress feature. It stores all comments, spam or not. It proved very useful to me recently.

    All you need to periodically clean it is a simple sql script. I think there is a plugin available which lets you manage it.

  22. Jinsan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    angusman - does having it checked only affect the blacklist, or doe sit also affect the comment moderation list? To be honest I 0 psma with only one or two coming thorugh eveyr few months and I don't have any blacklist enabled except comment moderation and wp-hashcash. so I wonder if disabling that box will disable the comment mod list.

  23. angsuman
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    If you check it, all of your comments will get hosed, irrespective of your other settings. It will even mark your own comments as spam. It affects any and all comments including trackbacks.

    Please do not check that box. It is buggy like hell, like version 1 of any Microsoft product.

    So nowadays several members are delighted that after WordPress 1.5 they are not getting any comment spam. In reality all of their comments are being marked as spam and stored silently in the database. They never sees any comment in their blog anymore :)

    Check for details:
    http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/apology-to-simple-thoughts-blog-commenters-in-last-20-days-or-so/
    http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/all-comments-get-nuked-by-blackhole-option-on-blocking-open-proxy-lists-in-wordpress-15-strayhorn/

  24. Minna
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    angsuman, yup I have that plugin I think you mean (Paged comment editing) and I love it :)

    Oh, and none of my comments 'got hosed' even though I had that checkbox checked. Maybe because of SpamKarma, I wouldn't have a clue... Lucky me.

  25. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    However if you check "Blacklist comments from open and insecure proxies." then all your comments gets hosed.

    That's funny, it doesn't happen to any of my blogs.

  26. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    In response to the original poster of this thread (to avoid confusion), your "test spam" was not caught by Spam Karma, because Spam Karma automatically allows comments from logged-in users. It's a feature, not a bug.

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