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  1. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    My site was recently hacked and the infestation has been cleared out.

    At the same time, I began receiving loads more spam than usual.

    My host company refuse to take any action as they tell me that spam is part and parcel of having a website.

    I don't accept this. There is no reason not to be doing everything possible to prevent the spam getting to the server in the first place.

    In wordpress, I copy every single IP address and put it in the discussion comment blacklist section. But I'm still seeing some of those IP addresses getting through. Why ?

    And of course, it does nothing to stop new ones getting through.

    I use Defensio as a plugin, and they refuse to do anything more as,to be fair, their plugin captures 98% of the spam. But I have to check all of the hundreds of spam messages as some valid comments do get through still. Plus I have to copy all the IP addresses.

    All of this is taking time.

    Does anyone know if this spam increase is likely to be linked to the hack attack or not ?

    Do others just put up with all this spam ?

    I don't accept that if you have a popular site then you have to be inundated with vile spam - some of it is really unpleasant. But I do not know what else to do. Everyone has their favourite plugins - and from experience I'd say they all seem to work to a point.

    What else can be done ?

    Thank you.

  2. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    they tell me that spam is part and parcel of having a website.

    They are correct.

    Does anyone know if this spam increase is likely to be linked to the hack attack or not ?

    It's got nothing to do with. The spammers have found your site. That's all there is to it.

    Do others just put up with all this spam ?

    Most people using a combination of anti-spam plugins - such as Akismet.

  3. bob cavanaugh
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Would using the ip blacklist help my problem at all? I don't pay that much attention to my ip addresses, but even the same author uses different ip addresss. I'm using Akismet as my spam filter if this makes any difference. I also have another thread open on this topic.

  4. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Would using the ip blacklist help my problem at all?

    I don't think so. Blacklists are really crude and tend to impact on genuine visitors.

  5. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    So, now the spammers are attacking my contact form - I use the most popular wordpress 7 contact form.

    What can be done ?

    I absolutely don't accept that this vile spam is something I have to put up with. Some of it is rude and unpleasant and should be unacceptable.

    Now that the spammers have also targetted my contact for (and I don't have the re-capatcha letters there - can they be added ?) what else can be done please ? thanks

  6. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    ps I'm happy with the \Defensio plugin which traps 98% os the spam. Not many do better than that. Everyone has their favourite. They all do the same job.

    So the plugin is doing it's job; I want the spam to be stopped from hitting my server (and I pay for a dedicated one) so why can't that be done ? I'm amazed at the acceptance of this rubbish on the internet. Appreciate it's not easy to solve but who are the experts ? What is being done to tackle it ?

  7. Gabe Young
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You will never be able to totally eliminate spam. As esmi already stated, you can mitigate more than 98% by using additional plugins. Try using Akismet with Defensio and see what happens.

  8. I want the spam to be stopped from hitting my server

    There's no such thing as a 'do not call' list for spammers. And even if there was, they're breaking the law anyway, so they'd just ignore it. You can have a 'no solicitation' sign, but some moron's gonna ring your bell anyway.

    Akismet, Bad Behavior, and Cookies for Comments, are my trifecta.

  9. agag2
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I get the same thing on my site

    its no big deal for me- just dont approve those spammy comments

  10. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    thanks guys appreciate your help.

    You can't use other plugins with Defensio, and as I said I'm happy with it's performance - I never found any of the others to be any better.

    WordPress provides a facility to add IP addresses in settings>discussion>comment blacklist. So are you all saying that it's pointless adding the IP addresses, because I've added hundreds. SOmetimes it seems to help and sometimes they seem to be ignored and still arrive. But what's the point of it being there if it's no use ?

    Some of these spam comments are pretty rude and if they are breaking the law then what is being done about it ? Does anyone have any information on who the leading researchers are ?

    I'm now getting spam on my contact 7 form. Anyone know how to add re-capatcha to the form please ? I've seen it on some sites but the settings page gives me no clues and the plugin author hasn't responded to my question. I pre-moderate all comments so getting spam into my email is proving a proper nightmare.

    Thank you all for your help so far.

  11. It's not pointless it's just ... well.

    Okay, here's the deal. If I, a spammer, find out you're blocking IP x.x.x.x, I'll just move to another one. Eventually that old IP may get picked up by a real person, who now can't access your site. Basically there's not enough value in blocking IPs, and too much potential to harm your bottom line.

    What's being done? Nothing. Because no one who's made this illegal is enforcing it (California, I'm looking at you). It's like junk physical mail or unsolicited phone calls. People get a hold of a site, which is much easier than a phone number, and they call. And call. And call. The phone companies stepped up because they get enough chaff about it, and now in the US we have a 'do not call list.' And yet I still get 4-10 calls a week and tell these people "Hi, this is my cell phone AND I'm on Do-Not-Call. Take me off your list." And then I have to complain to the right people and tell them 'so and so is ignoring this.' Most of the time I just hang up.

    If you're getting spam on Contact 7, try Bad Behavior. Captcha's aren't effective long-term.

  12. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Apparently my site is still being subject to hack attacks and I've been told to check that my theme, Fresh News, contains an updated version of tim thumb, if applicable. Does it ?

  13. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Ipetenu you can't use any other spam plugin with Defensio, and I'm happy with it's performance - none of the others have worked any better for me.

    I would like to find something to add the words/letters to my contact form 7 like re-capatcha does. Is there anything that works that anyone knows of, and that is compatible with what I am already running ?

  14. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Try contacting the theme's developers: http://www.woothemes.com/support/

  15. I'm annoyed at Defensio, not any posters here. So my snarky criticality is aimed at a product that makes it harder for me to make my site workable.

    you can't use any other spam plugin with Defensio

    If a plugin makes it so I cannot use any other spam plugin, then it's a poorly written product. What else might it conflict with, then? They're basically saying that instead of fixing their app, that you shuold just trust 'em and no one else. That's a bad idea, because spammers come after you in many different ways, and there can never be an 'all in one' solution. Not every type of spammer hits every site the same way.

    I would like to find something to add the words/letters to my contact form 7 like re-capatcha does.

    Guess what? You can't! Defensio won't let you add in any other spam fighting plugins and a CAPTCHA? Is a spam fighting plugin. And there in is most of my rational for thinking it's a stupid product. It just locked you in and that's bad form.

    Apparently my site is still being subject to hack attacks and I've been told to check that my theme, Fresh News, contains an updated version of tim thumb, if applicable. Does it ?

    That's a different subject all together. You'd have to ask Woo, it's their theme and it's behind a paywall: http://www.woothemes.com/2011/01/fresh-news/

  16. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    okay well thanks. Doesn't really help me ! Defensio does the job for me, as well as any other plugin has. The plugin itself is not the issue - it's the spam.

    No-one here seems to know how to add a recapatcha to contact form 7, which would also help.

    It doesn't appear clear at all whether spam is illeagal or not; either way for me it's a completel nuisance and I want to do more to stop it - but I do need someone to explain how to add a recapatcha to contact form 7. The plugin owner hasn't responded.

    Maybe someone here can help ?

  17. Tim S
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You can integrate a captcha in contact form 7. Here's a link explaining how to do so:
    http://contactform7.com/blog/2009/11/25/captcha/

  18. It doesn't appear clear at all whether spam is illeagal or not

    It depends where you are. It's legal here in the US.

    No-one here seems to know how to add a recapatcha to contact form 7, which would also help.

    We DO know, but you probably can't use it. Defensio won't let you. Try Tim's link, but if it doesn't work, that's why.

  19. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Ipstenu - I want to get one thing really clear.

    the Capatcha works absolutely fine on my site with Defensio.

    Appreciate you have an issue with Defensio but your complaining about it has been unhelpful to me and indeed, it's taken me longer to decide what to do than it should have in light of your comments.

    So for anyone else who is asking this question - it works fine for me.

  20. Ballet News
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Add on the subject of spam - Ipstenu you did say earlier in this post :

    What's being done? Nothing. Because no one who's made this illegal is enforcing it (California, I'm looking at you).

    And then you said :

    It depends where you are. It's legal here in the US.

    Well, California is part of the US last time I looked !

    It's really best not to make sweeping statements unless you are certain of your facts. It's just not helpful.

  21. the Capatcha works absolutely fine on my site with Defensio.

    Hmm. Then you probably can use other spam trapping tools, with Defensio, and they're incorrect in their claims. Which means I would certainly try the other tools as well if you're getting hammered with spam.

    Again, TRY Tim's link. Here it is again: http://contactform7.com/blog/2009/11/25/captcha/

    And while I'm not a lawyer, California has not yet successfully outlawed spam (has it stopped? No? There you go). Technically the whole US has a federal law about it, which supercedes the California law, and actually I recall in 2004(?) that your state tossed their law because of the federal law.

    HOWEVER. BOTH of those laws have to do with email (and computer crime). And that's not what I was talking about. See, it's illegal to MAKE spam. If you get spam, the spam maker is breaking the law, not you, so basically it's a stupid hair split about if it's illegal to receive spam (you're not a fence, after all). Which was what I meant. It's illegal to cold-call a cell phone, especially if you're on do-not-call in the US, but the enforcement of such laws is laughable. Basically, we have laws that no one pays attention to, which is as good as no law at all.

    It's like the EU's cookie law. I can see where the idea is meant, but the implementation is idiotic. Ahhh, our government at work.

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