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[resolved] " so you can use it to start your own Etsy or Ebay style network of stores..." (32 posts)

  1. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 1 year ago #

    It is stated that with this version, "You can use it to start your own Etsy or Ebay style network of stores..."

    So with the free version you can setup your own Etsy or Ebay?

    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-ecommerce/

  2. @RonDsy As a matter of fact you can!
    There is a video walkthrough here on how to do it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMaf5FDrWg

    Cheers,
    Ari.

  3. WPMUDEV
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Plugin Author

    Posted 12 months ago #

    Hey again.

    Haven't heard from you in a short while so I just wanted to check in and see how things are going here?

    If you still need some assistance then by all means just reopen the thread or create another one for any new and related issues.

    Cheers.

  4. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 12 months ago #

    Thank you for your follow up and interest. I installed the premium MarketFlex framework and then its child theme, GridMarket to find out there are key elements missing. Unless you are willing to code your own child theme or template, you will not be able to create elements of an Etsy like shop.

    The premium theme, MarketPressTheme from MarketPressTheme another alternative theme is not quite ready for prime time.

    Although the video you give is well done, it is an entry level to understanding MarketPress. I could not find videos nor documentation which helped the admin to build the site with resources available using WordPress.

    If a solution is provided to operate like an Etsy shop, then the authors of the solution should better understand Etsy with respect to the resources available from the world of WordPress. This includes suggested plugins for membership, security, caching, SEO, ads, login/registration per seller or on a global registration process. There is no FAQ nor is there a central location for suggested resources.

    I will publish my product review/findings at TalkingManuals for each of the Etsy like scripts for WordPress.

  5. Your original question was this:

    It is stated that with this version, "You can use it to start your own Etsy or Ebay style network of stores..."
    So with the free version you can setup your own Etsy or Ebay?

    Etsy and Ebay are completely different. However, at their core they have one thing in common:
    Users can create their products and sell them through both platforms.
    Etsy keeps a commission from every sale.
    So the anwer is yes, the plugin can do that. The video I posted earlier was a short guide on how to achieve exactly that.

    If a solution is provided to operate like an Etsy shop, then the authors of the solution should better understand Etsy with respect to the resources available from the world of WordPress. This includes suggested plugins for membership, security, caching, SEO, ads, login/registration per seller or on a global registration process. There is no FAQ nor is there a central location for suggested resources.

    The video posted was NOT a step-by-step guide on creating your WordPress site, securing it, theming it, configuring it etc. There are plenty of resources and guides available out there if you google for them.
    What we showed you on that video is how to configure our plugin to get the basic mechanics of Etsy right. So far, to my knowledge, MarketPress is the only solution available on WordPress that works flawlessly on multi-site and can create a network of stores with an Etsy-like philosophy. Needless to say that the Premium version of the plugin has many more features and is updated a lot more regularly than the free version.

    There is no FAQ nor is there a central location for suggested resources.

    The "how to create an Etsy-like store" is a pretty general question!
    If you have some specific questions then please feel free to create an issue for each one of them and we'll be happy to help you out!

    Cheers,
    Ari.

  6. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 12 months ago #

    Hi Ari,

    In the spirit of assisting in making a better MarketPress product, I would like to continue our dialog on MarketPress.

    "What we showed you on that video is how to configure our plugin to get the basic mechanics of Etsy right."

    Basic is all you get unfortunately. Even a seasoned WordPress site developer would have questions on how to implement an Etsy like shop when you have to consider all or the other components needed on a multi-site install. Add to this that there exist plugins conflicts and those that may or may not work on a multi-site install and you have your MarketPress site developer literally experimenting. The guides should list needed/tested plugins required to make the site: secure, SEO ready, membership ready, social net ready and that do not conflict with MarketPress themes/templates nor which do not conflict with each other. Until this is available, MarketPress is providing only a part of the solution.

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    "The video posted was NOT a step-by-step guide on creating your WordPress site, securing it, theming it, configuring it etc"

    Unfortunately I did not see step-by-step guides in creating the environment. You must ask "how to" on the community forums.

    The idea of having a MU environment plays nicely into creating separate shops venues utilizing a virtual WordPress install for each shop. With the MU setup there are many questions with respect in providing both global functions as plugins and local only functions. Unfortunately I've not been able to find where MarketPress provides a solution. Example: there are SEO plugins which do not do well or work at all in a MU install. If you were a first time WordPress MU site developer you would be lost for a SEO which works with MarketPress in particular. You would need to generate a help ticket to try to find a SEO solution. On a single WordPress install or non- MU, you would continue to use your current SEO plugin, however MarketPress needs to help validate which plugins work or do not work with the MarketPress Theme.

    Child Themes: There exist only one child theme, GridMarket. When you think that each shop has the ability to look completely different from one another, it would be great to have more child themes to offer the shop owners. GridMarket lacks some basic functions - there is no integration of log in/out - register - my account nor is there a shopping cart.

    Summary:

    This is a summary to date not at all complete. I will furnish a more comprehensive review at TalkingManuals.
    No one is asking for a turn-key solution, as a site developer we need to know what works best while using MarketPress. What has been tested good and compatible. There is also a need to restrict shop owner to their dashboard, again, which plugin work best while using MarketPress on a MU install?

    Whats needed:
    1 -Better documentation is setting up an Etsy site
    2 - A list of suggested and compatible plugins
    3 - Integration of login - registration - my account and shopping cart within the header area
    4 - More variety of child themes
    5 - Admin control plugin for MU

  7. Basic is all you get unfortunately. Even a seasoned WordPress site developer would have questions on how to implement an Etsy like shop when you have to consider all or the other components needed on a multi-site install.

    If you have questions, you can simply ask them as I mentioned earlier.
    I'd be more than happy to respond to any questions you might have!

    Cheers,
    Ari.

  8. D_A_V_I_D
    Member
    Posted 11 months ago #

    Whats needed:
    1 -Better documentation is setting up an Etsy site
    2 - A list of suggested and compatible plugins
    3 - Integration of login - registration - my account and shopping cart within the header area
    4 - More variety of child themes
    5 - Admin control plugin for MU

    Great points RonDsy, it seems as though the "ease of use" sales pitch is not accompanied with detailed instructions for installing and plugin compatibility. One can only guess why a setup tutorial is not available.

    But instead of guessing, I would like to keep this dialog going and ask Ari, would WPMU DEV create a 20-30 minute video tutorial describing the setup, theme and plugin compatibility?

    Thanks,
    DJ

  9. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 11 months ago #

    Summary: MarketPress does not bring to the developer enough detail in its documentation, guides or videos in order for the web site developer to make good sound decisions. If you are marketing the script as an Etsy clone or Etsy like, you need to know about the Etsy foundation and in particular, with respect to achieving this on a WP MU setup.

    I found that MarketPress staff member who responds to help request seem not to understand the workings of Etsy - only the basics, which is not enough. MarketPress lacks giving the guidance on the following.

    - Security
    - Limiting backend admin access for the client and each seller
    - Providing a basic understanding of the Etsy like environment so that the site developer can be confident in making choices
    - MU layer brings in more questions of plugins compatibility for SEO, stats and others
    - Providing a suggested list of beneficial complimentary plugins
    - With only one child theme, you will have to code your own or have someone code for you. Which then needs to be added to the cost of MarketPress use.

    Ref: http://talkingmanuals.com/wordpress-plugin-reviews/e-commerce/

  10. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 11 months ago #

    would WPMU DEV create a 20-30 minute video tutorial describing the setup, theme and plugin compatibility?

    We are looking into ALL of our documentation at the moment. Many of our plugins are having new manuals and installation instructions re-written for them... I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure MarketPress is one of them! I'm not sure if this will include a video tutorial... but if we can I'm sure we'll look into this. We do have a quick video on the subject... but I agree it's not very detailed:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMaf5FDrWg

    I found that MarketPress staff member who responds to help request seem not to understand the workings of Etsy

    We don't work for Etsy, and in all fairness we don't say that MarketPress is designed to be a one plugin clone of the entire Etsy system.

    With only one child theme, you will have to code your own or have someone code for you. Which then needs to be added to the cost of MarketPress use.

    You don't HAVE to use the Framemarket parent theme. Marketpress will work with virtually any theme with very little customisation. Of course if you want to customise it you are free to do so.

  11. doncgarner
    Member
    Posted 10 months ago #

    Hello to all! I have been literally stumped with the SAME Questions that were asked here, and only keep getting "General" answers from WP Experts,So called Guru's, and WP Support Staff. Really Guy's?....Creating a Tutorial Step By Step Video or a series of video's should NOT be that hard to do. Everyone love "The Only" Etsy Style video tutorial that you guy's have created, but it Lacks Meat On The Bone...and Leaves EVERYONE Interested in Creating A Etsy Style Site Asking a repetitive question "How-TO?" Yes, we know that you don't work for or with Etsy...but YOUR Customers Need SOLUTIONS That Work to achieve such a WP Install and Creation!!! PLEASE>>>>HELP>>>US>>>ALL!!!! Here Are My Questions:

    1. Do I use Sub Folders, Or Sub Domains When Installing The WP Multi User Install?...And How Do I Set Them Up In Bluehost? Which Is The Best For A Marketplace style website, where Every store owner has their own Identity, and or Domain or Store Name Without a Domain Name.

    2. How does every new store owner create their store on the Front end, and NEVER have access to the Back end or even know that WP is Running It?

    3. How do New Store Owners register A Domain Name "Within My Site" or Opt Only to use a non domain name store? Or Can I Only Use One Or The Other?

    4. How do I get Store Owners Stores to "DISPLAY" On "THE Main HOME PAGE?" As Well As The Store's "Home Page?"

    5. What Plug Ins can I use to complete the set up of the "REST" of the Etsy Style Site's FUNCTIONALITY & FEATURES?

    I pray someone can bring Clarity to this issues that has been troubling MANY Member's wanting to Create This Style Of Website!!!...Blessings.

  12. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 10 months ago #

    I have not seen a working demo of this script. Upon review, I have published a product review here, http://talkingmanuals.com/wordpress-plugin-reviews/e-commerce/

  13. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Our video guys are currently I the process of creating new tutorial videos for a number of WPMU DEV plugins for this very reason. Whilst we do not state that MarketPress provides a Etsy CLONE, our reference to an Etsy STYLE site would indeed be more tangible with a full tutorial series. Give us some time... we have over 140 plugins to get through... and there are a couple of others which have been prioritised ahead of MP. If you check out our YouTube channel you will notice we have recently uploaded a new playlist for Appointments+, last month we added Pro Sites, Membership before that... and MarketPress is scheduled for an update.

    @doncgarner, the points you raise are very much preferential, and suggest that you may be reading too much into the claim of offering an "Etsy Style" site.

    1. Sub-folders of Sub-domains... that's up to you. Marketpress will work for both.

    2. Fron-End Only... That's not possible. In order to add products, store owners would need access to the back-end. To make the whole thing front-end would be a colossal task. This is why we would not refer to the plugin as being an Etsy CLONE and just Etsy STYLE. It allows for a similar end result, but uses different methods to get there due to the limits of the WordPress system.

    3. Domains... by default people would get a sub-domain or subfolder. If you want to allow them to use their own domain you would need another domain handling plugin such as our Domain Mapping plugin or Multi-Domains.

    4. This is not one of the built-in "Global" widgets. This would probably take some custom coding.

    5. What other functionality are you looking for? Again, MarketPress only offers the e-commerce aspects of Etsy... it doesn't claim to be an all-in-on "click here for an etsy store" plugin.

  14. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 9 months ago #

    2. Fron-End Only... That's not possible. In order to add products, store owners would need access to the back-end. To make the whole thing front-end would be a colossal task. This is why we would not refer to the plugin as being an Etsy CLONE and just Etsy STYLE. It allows for a similar end result, but uses different methods to get there due to the limits of the WordPress system.

    If a coder is knowledgeable about Custom Post types, you can enter data utilizing the frontend of WordPress. This is being done with another mult-vendor WP product which I am in the process of reviewing. In today's moderized WordPress with regard to taxonomy/Post Types, data can be entered from the frontend of any WordPress compliant theme. I don't understand why this would be particularly difficult or a "colossal task."

  15. doncgarner
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    @ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff Thank You! I really need some direction as of was I was able to do and not do. A little bit, goes a looong way! Thanks. I actually installed Multisite, and began the process of finding out that running a Network of sites Isn't Easy, and DOES TAKE WORK! Much Work!!!...lol...I have since the install found that I Really DON'T want Users/Store owners to Ever see the Backend of My Word Press Admin Panel! But Realize that they still have to Manage their store Completely! So again I'm Stuck!!! Back to the drawing board. Symposium have been upgraded and is a Great membership/Social Networking Plug in that I May Add for Store Owners/Users/Customers to have Profiles...Don't know how to separate the customers on the frontend, from the Store Owners on the backend. I stil wouldn't want store owners to my site to get into my Admin Panel or Dashboard. I JUST want them to have a Profile Page on the network that points to their page as well as to My Store Directory of Sites...If Possible. But I'm still researching and trying what works, and what clearly doesn't. Thank Again For The Fast Reply! Blessings.

  16. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Colossal from the standpoint of adding it to an already developed and very much well used plugin, without breaking it for any of the existing users.

    I agree front-end posting for custom posts in itself is not a huge task, we have that functionality in a few of our other plugins already... my point was that to add it to THIS plugin, with the code in it's current form, would be a big job... it would probably require a complete re-write.

  17. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 9 months ago #

    I just spotted this:

    http://mp-frontend.info/

    Looks like that provides the front-end posting your'e looking for!

    If you decide to use it... please let us know how you get on with it!

  18. doncgarner
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    @ellbristow...Thank For The Great Tip! I will do a little research, and then see it this will work for me. It's looks like just what I need. Thanks Again. Blessings. I Love the Feedback and great answers and ideas here. Wow!......Great Stuff Guys!

  19. doncgarner
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    WOW!!!! @ellbristow.....WOW! THANKS A BUNCH!!!! This is just what I needed. I saw this plug in but briefly took a glance at it before. Didn't know this was what i needed. This will do EVERYTHING I need it to to STOP users and store owners from getting into My Main Sites Control Panel. Also, I saw a WP plug in somewhere that changed the Branding of WP to Your Site Name or whatever name you choose to use. I have a link to a review of it somewhere in my Bookmarks. gotta; go find that and add it as well. Thanks Again Brother. Blessings. I hope this HELPS someone else with the same issues and/or questions.

  20. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Hi Aristath,

    There seems to be a statement which is inconsistent. If adding data via the front-end is preferred, why doesn't WPMU DEV not integrate it into the current product without having to do a massive rebuilt? It could have also been accessed as a module or plugin like you present, MP Frontend. Why have to point to a 3rd party for the solution? The MP Frontend keeps the existing licensed users safe, while allowing recent licensees to add products via the frontend. What I do not understand is why not allow both pre-existing and current licensed user to have both? MarketPress would allow a toggle to keep using the backend or use the frontend for entering products.

    The fact that you point or suggest another outside solution for entering product via the frontend, leaves me wondering why did MarketPress developers not provide for Custom Post type solution.

    You can tell by the responses that site developers are immensely happy that this plugin exist. In my review of Etsy-like scripts for WP, the article favors another product over MarketPress for the reason MPMU does not and employ Custom Post types.

    The question I would be thinking, if a site developer decided to allow the client's sellers to enter products using MP Frontend, will MarketPress efficiently query products that were entered by an outside developer? In other words, could there be field type(s), other data like categories, child categories or tags which was created with MP Frontend that MarketPress does not know exist and therefore does not use?

  21. @RonDsy

    In my review of Etsy-like scripts for WP, the article favors another product over MarketPress for the reason MPMU does not and employ Custom Post types.

    That is NOT true.
    MarketPress products are a custom post type,
    Product categories & product tags are custom taxonomies
    Prices, extra shipping costs etc are nothing more than custom fields.
    All done using WordPress best practices for its structure and coding.

    The question I would be thinking, if a site developer decided to allow the client's sellers to enter products using MP Frontend, will MarketPress efficiently query products that were entered by an outside developer?

    Absolutely. The plugin that @ellbristow mentioned earlier simply creates a front-end submission form for the "products" custom post type, its taxonomies and fields. It does nothing more than that... and is therefore structurally compatible.

    In other words, could there be field type(s), other data like categories, child categories or tags which was created with MP Frontend that MarketPress does not know exist and therefore does not use?

    No. Definitely not.

  22. RonDsy
    Blocked
    Posted 9 months ago #

    My correction, custom post types are surely used to create any form, however MarketPress selected not to create the form on the frontend and it is stated that a massive or major rewrite would be needed to do so.

    Good to hear that all fields created on the frontend would be seen and used by MarketPress.

  23. D_A_V_I_D
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Just thought I mentioned what is available in wp for a multi-vendor cart; wpmarketplace http://wordpress.org/plugins/wpmarketplace/ . Has anyone given this consideration? If not, why?

  24. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 9 months ago #

    wpmarketplace
    0 out of 9 support threads resolved in the last 2 months.

    MarketPress
    10 out of 15 support threads resolved in the last 2 months.

  25. doncgarner
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    2 Thumbs Up For Marketpress!!!!!! I guess It Win's All The debate's!

  26. louloujmt
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Hello there !

    I'm looking for exactly the same.. Building a etsy like multisite..
    And have exactly the same issue. I wouldn't like users to access backoffice, not even see the site is running on wordpress..

    I read carefully this topics, thanks for details.

    Does anyone succeed in building an etsy like website using marketpress?
    Does anyone try to follow this tuto http://premium.wpmudev.org/forums/topic/how-to-build-your-own-etsy-like-site-using-marketpress ?
    Read it's working but someone figured there's an issue with global cart..

    Looking forward for your replies..

  27. ellbristow
    WPMU DEV Support Staff
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Hi @louloujmt,

    As mentioned above, you could use the http://wordpress.org/plugins/wpmarketplace/ plugin to move the back-end functions to the front-end.

    You might need to look into some other plugins for hiding other WordPress features, but that is certainly a good start as far as MarketPress is concerned.

  28. louloujmt
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Thanks !

    Do you think i can use framemarket theme with it ?
    or do i need to buy a theme or built my own one ?

  29. You can use whatever theme you want.
    Some coding might be required though.
    The MarketPress plugin can be used to create an etsy-style store. IT IS NOT AN ETSY CLONE. I don't know why people assume that it is. The basic functionality is there, but if you want to get rid of the WordPress backend and really build an etsy clone, you have to spend lots of time planning, searching, writing some custom code to make things work exactly the way you want them and you should know that it's not an easy task.

    Yes, it's doable. In fact it's easier done using the MarketPress plugin that using any of the other e-commerce plugins available out there. I know 'cause I've tried it.

    About a year ago I wanted to do the same thing as you. I got almost everything worked out but then simply got distracted by other things and never got to complete that project.
    However you can find what I 've done and possibly benefit from my experience and code by reading this post: http://premium.wpmudev.org/forums/topic/building-a-marketpress-store-that-has-everything-on-the-frontend-no-wp-admin as it contains lots of code and details.

    I hope that points you to the right direction.

    Take care,
    Ari.

  30. louloujmt
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Hello,

    Thank you for your answer, I'll go through that asap !
    I guess everyone "believe" that an etsy clone could easily be set with wordpress, because:
    - It's advertise like that (even if wpmu teams are clear with this, the msg is not, i have to say..)
    - Moreover people like me are using wp and mp in order to not have to code, or at least not have a lot to code... That's why when we see the description we jump on it !

    Thanks for advice and links, again

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