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  1. music_man
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hi

    I have a fair amount of articles and comments on my debating website and yet it doesn't even have a pagerank of 1 on Google. I have modified the theme a bit - does the change it a lot? I think it would be a good idea to have the next wordpress seo - like having the option of using h1-7 tags, having automated meta description etc.

    The url is http://www.debate.co.nz

    Any ideas on how to get my site a good pagerank please?

    Thanks a lot

  2. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Page Rank is almost entirely a function of the number and quality of links. All that other stuff only distinguishes your keywords *after* you're ranked. (I realize that may be oversimplifying it a bit). And if you're talking about Google, meta tags make no difference - Google only reads real text viewable by your users.

    WordPress is extremely friendly to search engines, right out of the box. "If it's not broken, don't fix it," is the rule to follow, as adding a lot of spammy features to WordPress could hurt lots of already successful users and wouldn't help anyone.

    Getting a good Page Rank. A link from a Page Rank 6 site is usually suffificient to get you to a PR of 4. Aside from that, you need to produce good quality content that people will link to. There's just no substitute for slow and steady link building the natural way.

    Your site has a PR of 5, by the way. Should have checked that before answering. You don't have any problem. Your posts are unranked because you are using the custom permalinks. If you used the out of the box "?p=1? style permalinks your posts would also have a PR of 5.

  3. Lorelle
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    >>>Your posts are unranked because you are using the custom permalinks. If you used the out of the box "?p=1? style permalinks your posts would also have a PR of 5.<<<

    Could you explain this a little more?

  4. IMO, using permalinks is better as Google will only process X links per site that have a ? in them to prevent it's bot from getting stuck in a loop.

    While posts using permalinks won't be dragged up the page rank list with your site, they'll get their own page rank for their own content in their own right.

    Or at least that's my understanding and experience.

  5. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yes. My experience, on a site with 800+ posts as well as a couple of smaller sites, is that every post and page gains the same Page Rank as the home page if you use the out of the box permalinks instead of the "custom". My hunch is that this is because of the custom permalinks creating what looks like a subdirectory structure (all those slashes) so that the permalinked pages appear to be outside the root folder, but that's just a guess.

    I was stuck with that, as custom permalinks caused so many problems on my server that I gave up early on and then discovered by accident that while all my posts have a PR of 5, many custom permalink sites' posts are completely unranked.

    I will probably stop sharing this soon when I realize it gives me an advantage over all these folks that are using those custom permalinks thinking it will actually help. But that hasn't hit me just yet.

  6. deano6410
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Page rank = quality of inbound links, it has nothing to do with your amount of content.

    "If you used the out of the box "?p=1? style permalinks your posts would also have a PR of 5."

    The above is completely incorrect. Google treats each page individually, PR strength leaks from link to link, so lets say you have a main page with PR6, and you have only 3 links on that page, there is a chance that each of these 2 links will now become PR2-3, but put 100 links on your main page and most likely they will all be PR0-1

    The only way you will get PR for your content pages is if people link to those pages DIRECTLY.

  7. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Sorry, dean, I think you misunderstood me. Quality content DRAWS links. That builds Page Rank.

    As for your second point, no, you are completely incorrect. That may be a nice theory, but empirically (that means in the real world) the theory doesn't hold water. WordPress blogs using the default permalink structure with WordPress installed in the root directory share the main pages Page Rank with all posts. I can point you to half a dozen examples. But I'm tired of arguing with people about it. Like I said, do your thing and I'll get better results because you don't believe me.

    I guess if I was gonna be really p!ssy about it, I'd note your excellent PR of zero with all posts unranked. But I won't.

  8. skippy
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Remember, folks, Page Rank is just one ephemeral idea on the internet. Having a large Page Rank doesn't make you a better person, nor does it demonstrably benefit society.

  9. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    LOL. Good point. Sorry, I lost patience a bit with the "that is completely incorrect" know-it-all tone.

  10. DianeV
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    > Having a large Page Rank doesn't make you a better person, nor does it demonstrably benefit society.

    Nor does it guarantee any page a high ranking in Google. There are plenty of examples of lower PR pages outranking high-PR pages -- and loads of posts around forums asking why their higher-PR page is outranked mightily by lower-RP pages. Thus, buying into the idea that PageRank alone guarantees good rankings ignores the far larger picture. ;)

  11. So, in summary, Page Rank means "diddly squat".

  12. deano6410
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    "So in summary page rank = one of the largest factors for ranking well in google."

    Personally i feel quality links and excellent content are the only 2 things more important. To bring up a few points:

    "Sorry, dean, I think you misunderstood me. Quality content DRAWS links. That builds Page Rank." True, i agree 100% with that.

    "WordPress blogs using the default permalink structure with WordPress installed in the root directory share the main pages Page Rank with all posts. I can point you to half a dozen examples" I would love to see these half a dozen examples please, i hope you are right on this, but i doubt very much you are."

    "I guess if I was gonna be really p!ssy about it, I'd note your excellent PR of zero with all posts unranked. But I won't" You dont even know my url, and my site is 6 days old, so i wont get any PR until the next update.

    "So, in summary, Page Rank means "diddly squat" If only everyone thought the same, it would make my job sooo much easier.

  13. deano6410
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    ok, i have just realised that of course you know my URL, silly me.

    Anyway, I hope you dont mind me posting this Tom, but i just checked and your main page is PR5, but i randomly picked 2 other threads from the same site and they were Pr3 and Pr2.

    I am not saying your theory is not correct, but i would be keen to see an example please.

    Thanks.

  14. deano6410
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/ PR5

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=843 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=850 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=846 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=841 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=840 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=837 PR0

    http://www.tom-hanna.org/?p=831 PR0

    This is the site you used as your example in another thread, all articles i checked were PR0 except one which was PR3. Maybe you could show me some other examples? Again, i must stress I am not trying to prove you wrong, infact i hope you are right.

  15. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Where are you getting your numbers? I have two different toolbar plugins on Firefox and they are both showing something completely different on my site and on yours. I really don't want to continue in a p!ssing match about it, though. And I don't mind you posting my URL at all. Post it anywhere you want, as long as it's not a 'bad neighborhood.' ;)

    Bottom line, though, my point is that WordPress performs superbly without messing with the custom permalinks, for example, and in many cases they seem to cause more problems than they solve, interfering with plugins and whatnot.

    The best solution isn't to be worrying about Page Rank, but to produce content that people will want to link to. Producing the kind of content that leads to good incoming links is going to contribute more to good results than your permalink structure or meta tags. Beyond content, I'd focus on keywords in categories, post and page titles and domain names.

  16. deano6410
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I agree there are far more important things to be focusing on, but if i could share my main pages page rank with all my other pages then i would consider that a very important factor.

    Page rank 1 year ago was considered one of the most important factors for ranking, now it is dying out a bit, but expert believe it still makes up approx 15% of your google ranking, which aint bad.

    I produce excellent daily content so i am fortunate in that respect, my domain name has none of my keywords in it, but i like the name and will have to live with that, the only way i can get my keywords in my url is via the custom plugin, which if you are correct i DONT want to be using.

    Do you use any of the messenger servies Tom?, I would love to discuss this further.

    Many thanks.

  17. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Sure. I'm on Yahoo occasionally: tomhanna1970 If I'm not on, send me a message and let me know when you'll be on.

  18. Firas
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    The reason custom permalinks may be useful is that google ranks whether the keywords are in the actual URI.

    Also, it's just silly for a plugin to not work with pretty permalinks.

  19. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    It's just silly for plugins not to play well with lots of features including other plugins. But it happens.

  20. music_man
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Could you argue that having permalinks - which makes it easier to understand the content of the link - is the price to pay for a lower search ranking (assuming this is correct).

  21. Could you argue that having permalinks - which makes it easier to understand the content of the link - is the price to pay for a lower search ranking (assuming this is correct).

    Certainly not! ^_^ Permalinks can actually improve your search ranking. See: http://codex.wordpress.org/Search_Engine_Optimization_for_Wordpress#Permalinks

  22. brian1970
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hi,
    You will have to excuse me but I am new to the pc.
    I have an e-book selling websites www. ebooks4u .tv
    I have had the site for about 2 month before I noticed a google page rank of 1.
    I have since got a few hundred inbound links to my site and about 25 out bound links, 1 or 2 links are pr5 sites.
    Ok now for my questions how often does google update page rank?
    I have been advised to join a traffic rotator website to get more visits to my site, will this help with my page rank or is it just a waste of time?
    Thanks in advance.
    Regards Brian

    [Moderated: Non-wp link broken]

  23. estjohn
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    From what I have seen, newer posts will have a pr of 0 for a while.. maybe the sandbox type feature or until google updates pr again.

    Also, my main site might be a 5 on girlgeekette.net but many of the internal pages have pr's of anywhere from 0-5 with many in between 0 and 5.. the ones that have one being 3 4 and 5... so I am not sure that the inside ones get the same rank as the main one.

    I don't really know how, but when I started the site, about 3 weeks later it had a pr of 5 whereas the sister site it came from (Which had previously had a pr of 4 when I used PHPNuke) kept its pr of 4 after having ben up for 5 years. They both use the same SEO and theme.. so I am not sure why one came new with a PR of 5..

    The other thing I have had to keep in mind is PR is fine for google.. but from what my stats using awstats say (with about 2000-3000 uniquie ip address a month) it shows that Google is only about 1/3 of the search engine querys... meaing 2/3 came from other search engines.

    So.. PR is fine for gogle, but for me, ti was only a 1/3 of the search engine traffic.. so time spent preparing SEO for ALL search engines is more important than just PR for google.

    And, the biggest 2 SEO things I have seen take precedent are 1) CONTENT first and formost and 2) Page title seems to be right up there. Since you can put keywords in your title that you will be using in your article, the relevence factor is there..

    I did not use permalinks on the old sister site - aleeya.net but i am using them now.. but the PR has not changed from a 4 from the main one.. and I started out using perma links on the new girlgeekeette.net one but I cannot say the perma links made the only difference for me

    just my 2 cents..

  24. brian1970
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Does anyone know how often google page rank is updated?
    Does using a site/traffic rotator help?
    Can SEO help my site?
    I would appreciate any ideas.

  25. estjohn
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    IIRC about every 4-5 weeks
    site/traffic rotator? probabally not.. google doesnt look at traffic, it looks at clean html to help get it indexing correct and incoming links and even intra linking.
    SEO can probally help everyones .. most of all though... content is the #1 thing. Without the fresh, good content.. theres no point of even bothering with SEO

    word of advice: dont contrencrate on Google and PR.. do it for overall, all search engines in general. PR is a nice factor and helps you measuring with Googles search Engnine, but its nto the main focus point.

    forget PR and Google, and concentrate on overall search engines, content and valid presentation.

  26. brian1970
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Thanks for your reply.
    I think that maybe the problem is my site doesn’t change that much as it’s a selling site.
    I was interested in the fact that google does not look at the number of traffic to the site.
    Is it possible to find out which sites link to mine?

  27. estjohn
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    in the google search box type
    link:yoursitesurl.com and hit search

    that is for google.. for other search engines you need to read about them and see what they want for syntax.. some could be linkto: etc..

  28. CurtMonash
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I see, which is very rare for this forum, a lot of misinformation in this thread. Here's what I know or believe to be true:

    1. PageRank is only one of many factors in Google's selection algorithms. SEO experts widely agree that it has diminished greatly in importance over time; some even think it has been utterly eliminated, although they are in the minority.

    2. Most SEO experts believe that Title and Description are important factors to Google, or at least factors that are taken into account. Most believe that the Keywords metatag, however, is NOT of any importance (or else that its importance is trivial), especially to Google.

    3. Google takes some months before assigning PageRank at all to new pages (there may be a few exceptions). For my blogs the lag seems to be a4-5 months. Right now I have PR for what I posted in August and September, but not for what I posted from October onward.

    4. Of course you can pass PageRank from page to page in your website, and a blog is no exception. As of this writing the pages on my blog http://www.dbms2.com that have any PageRank at all generally have the same PR as the home page, namely PR=6, and many of those have no backlinks whatsoever except from other pages of the blog.

  29. CurtMonash
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    In response to another question, I find that Google's listing of backlinks is very incomplete. The same is true of other search engines.

    For example, every page of any of my blogs has links to all of http://www.dbms2.com, http://www.monashreport.com, http://www.softwarememories.com, and http://www.texttechnologies.com There are by now a lot of pages. But very few show up in the links search. And it's not just a matter of slow re-indexing, either, nor of forgetting to ask the search engine to really show all the search results.

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