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sending multiple trackbacks problem (18 posts)

  1. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi, after updating to Wp 3.4 version I notice that the trackback URLS I send is not separated probably. I am using spaces between them but after sending, I 've got this:

    Already pinged:

    http://www.example.com/article/trackback/http://www.example.com/article/trackback/http://www.example.com/article/trackback/

    which usually should be like this:

    Already pinged:

    http://www.example.com/article/trackback/
    http://www.example.com/article/trackback/
    http://www.example.com/article/trackback/

    Anyone else has notice this issue?

  2. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Still looking for some feedback and help with this. Are trackbacks working for other people using 3.4?

  3. NetzBlogging
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I've also the problem. ... :(

  4. NetzBlogging
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    To solve this problem i have an workaround:
    Set between the trackback-links the html entities for a space.

    like .../trackback/ http://...

    I think its not right but it does the trackbacks sending.
    LG Timm

  5. NetzBlogging
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    so once more:

    like .../trackback/ http://...

  6. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Many users face this issue. WordPress admins has anything to say about it please?

  7. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    NetzBlogging I have test your theory is not looking exactly as should be, are you sure the trackbacks is sending?

  8. NetzBlogging
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    i hope so. I wrote to the blogs for responding.
    Now I'm waiting. :)
    LG Timm

  9. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Okay I send a few trackbacks if I've got any response I 'll let you know, thanks! :)

    p.s. If this doesn't work is make sense to use the line break html tag between urls.
    <br />

    Anyway we will see how is goes the first one :)

    Update: No, don't try the second one is not working...

  10. Stergos
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hoping that new WP version 3.4.1 has fix this issue but no don't bother to try it.

  11. faddah
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    bump! i'm seeing this issue also. where do we file bugs for wp core? and I'm seeing it in 3.4.1.

    and has anyone tested to see if this is 3.4.1 itself, or 3.4.1 reacting badly against a certain theme or plug-in? i'm using a child theme of twentyeleven i developed and several plug-ins at my site, http://ialsowent.com.

    again: wordpress admins or core devs, any help, at least that you acknowledge the problem exists and are working on a fix, would be appreciated.

    — faddah
    portland, oregon.

  12. again: wordpress admins or core devs, any help, at least that you acknowledge the problem exists and are working on a fix, would be appreciated.

    1) Forums are manned by the volunteers. None of us get paid by wordpress.org to do this :)

    2) No answer doesn't mean no one saw it, it means no one has an answer. I know, it's weird.

    3) We DO have a place to report bugs, it's called trac, but I'm not entirely sure that's needed. Yet.

    Let's step back.

    Hi, after updating to Wp 3.4 version I notice that the trackback URLS I send is not separated probably.

    How are you 'sending' these trackbacks? For example, when I do that, I tend to have an in-line link. In my sentence, I'll link back to the site I'm talking about. I did this just yesterday, and it worked fine, so let's first make sure we're all talking the same thing. Are you just putting in a raw URL, two in a row, to 'ping' another site?

  13. faddah
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    hi ipstenu,

    thank you for your response.

    as to your requests for more info on this issue —

    How are you 'sending' these trackbacks?

    i can't speak for stergos (hopefully she'll see this and respond also), but for myself, i am doing it just as the wordpress.org support info says to do it, in the trackback field provided by wp-core in the edit post screen. see — http://codex.wordpress.org/Writing_Posts , and http://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Trackbacks , and http://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Pingbacks .

    i put my referenced links in that provided trackback field in the edit post screen of wp-core, i separate each link with a space, as it says to do on that edit screen, when there are multiple links. prior to WP 3.4, doing that would notify the non-WP legacy sites that i referenced them just fine. in WP 3.4 & still in 3.4.1, it takes the multiple links, separated by spaces as it says to in the edit post WP screen, and takes out the spaces so it becomes one, long, meaningless garbage line, then attempts to send to that (which is garbage). consequently, the separate non-WP sites never get notified of the trackback.

    For example, when I do that, I tend to have an in-line link. In my sentence, I'll link back to the site I'm talking about. I did this just yesterday, and it worked fine, so let's first make sure we're all talking the same thing.

    i do that, and for sites that are non-WP, i put links, sometimes multiple ones, separated by spaces, as it says to in that trackback field in the edit post WP screen. that's what you should do. worked fine prior to WP 3.4. in WP 3.4 & 3.4.1, removes the spaces between links on "save draft" or "publish" and the track back links become a smushed together garbage line.

    Are you just putting in a raw URL, two in a row, to 'ping' another site?

    i am doing this as a trackback, to non-WP sites, as i know WP site are automatically pingbacked. so yes, as it says to in the edit post WP screen in WP-Core, i put in multiple non-WP links i reference and separate them with a space. prior to WP 3.4, this worked fine. in WP 3.4 & 3.4.1, takes out the spaces on "save draft" or "publish" and it becomes a garbage line.

    this is easy enough to test. in WP 3.4 or 3.4.1 —

    1. create a new post in WP
    2. in the post, have links in-line with your verbiage to non-WP sites, say three of them.
    3. in the trackback field in the edit post WP screen, put your three or so non-WP site links, separated by spaces, as it says to right on the screen for that trackback field.
    4. click on "save draft" or "publish."
    5. go back and look at at the trackback field.

    expected result —
    in WP 3.3.x and earlier versions, it handled the non-WP trackbacks fine and notified those sites of the links in the post or page to it.

    issue —
    in WP 3.4 & 3.4.1 still, the spaces between the links in the trackback field are removed on "save draft" or "publish" and the multiple link line becomes one long garbage line and WP attempts to notify that, which, of course does not work.

    i hope that all answers your queries and makes it clearer to you. please let us no if you have any further questions, but this should be enough to notify WP-Core devs thru trace and post an issue, please.

    thank you for your response to this. i hope this moves this along.

    best,

    — faddah
    portland, oregon.

  14. i do that, and for sites that are non-WP, i put links, sometimes multiple ones, separated by spaces, as it says to in that trackback field in the edit post WP screen.

    Okay... Wow. I honestly did not know ANYONE still did that. For the last umpteen years, you just in-line linked, and every blogging system picks that up now. Really ;)

    I dug back through trac, and the only related change I see is this one: http://core.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/19675

    The ticket it's based on is http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/17560

    I'm not sure if it's actually pinging and outputting badly, or not pinging at all.

    For reporting bugs: http://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/reporting-bugs/

  15. faddah
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    hi again, ipstenu,

    thank you for responding again and the follow up. i'm glad that it seems you understand a little better what we are trying to do here, that is a part of the main WP core edit post screen. however, some things you responded with have me a bit a confused.

    Okay... Wow. I honestly did not know ANYONE still did that. For the last umpteen years, you just in-line linked, and every blogging system picks that up now. Really ;)

    this seems to fly in direct contradiction to what WordPress.org's codex currently says about non-WP site linked trackbacks, and what i quoted to you previously in this thread from the current WP codex in http://codex.wordpress.org/Writing_Posts , http://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Trackbacks , and http://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Pingbacks . what you say is true about pingbacks, which are in-line links to other WP sites, but the current codex says quite plainly this is what you do with trackbacks, which are to non-WP sites. or at least, that is what the codex, in the sections i've quoted to you, says.

    if i may please ask, is there some section of WordPress.org or the codex or some other documentation that i am missing, that supports what you are saying here? it's not that i doubt you, but as i point out, this is in contradiction to what the WP codex says.

    I dug back through trac, and the only related change I see is this one: http://core.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/19675

    The ticket it's based on is http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/17560

    o.k., that appears to make sense that it might be where this change in WP 3.4 & 3.4.1 came from. however, if this is just for windows live writer, it seems a bit cutting off the nose to spite the face. the problem he was getting was in the server returning in the cron "comma separated," and in the trackbacks field in the WP edit post screen, it clearly states clearly to separate the URLs with spaces only. in sanitizing, while i'm not quite sure what constant variables like "PREG_SPLIT_NO_EMPTY" or function/method lines like —

    else
        $to_ping = '';

    ... do, exactly, it appears they are, as you guess, removing spaces entirely where they don't need to in the trackback field and thus might be causing the problem.

    For reporting bugs: http://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/reporting-bugs/

    o.k., i'll file a bug there after reading then accompanying how-to-file info, and report back here when i have done so.

    thank you again for working with me on this. i'd be interested on your response to the above.

    best,

    — faddah
    portland, oregon

  16. The codex isn't always up to date, and I'm going to leave it at that. (I'm part of the volunteer team who is trying to wrangle updates, it's a slow process, and I know it's a lame thing to say that it's imperfect, but please, dont assume the codex is perfect.)

    Honestly, I say it's old and unused becuase you're the first people in four years I've heard of using it. I know that blogger, MT, WP, and most any other CMS I cam think of knows how to handle a link. I also know a lot of people find those trackbacks abused by spammers and turn 'em off :/

    But yes, report a bug.

  17. faddah
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    o.k., new ticket is created in Trac, #21624, “Multiplle Trackbacks field in edit screen removes spaces btw. URL's on save/update in 3.4 & 3.4.1.”

    some follow-up from before:

    i understand that you, Ipstenu don't feel trackbacks are useful, or at least don't use them yourself, and just use the pingbacks that are in-line, that go automatically to other WP sites, and the sites you mention, like blogger, that receive WP pingbacks; and this, as you state, has not been totally updated in the codex material i quoted to you. i also acknowledge you think trackbacks are turned off by a lot of people as possibly used as spam.

    However...

    trackbacks are still useful.

    yes, blogger, MT, WP and other CMS's acknowledge the automatic pingback in-line in a post or page, others do not, and you did not mention Drupal, or Joomla, etc. also, as readily available open source and other CMS's are nowadays, the majority of web sites one might link to out there are still done in straight HTML/CSS, with some javascript/jquery plug-ins to help and google analytics. for those, you need trackbacks. also, trackbacks and pingbacks are both useful, because those links in other sites draw possible traffic from those reading comments on the other linked-to site, seeing that there is related material referenced from there at your site.

    also, if you have akismet or a similar plug-in running, that relegates most spammy trackbacks or pingbacks from truly unrelated sites into your comment spam folder.

    my 2 cents about why trackbacks still are needed.

    we'll see what happens with the Trac defect.

    thank you for all your input, help and guidance throughout.

    best,

    — faddah
    portland, oregon

  18. faddah
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    wow! that was quick. looks like sergey fixed the trackback issue... by adding two brackets! see latest updates - Trac, #21624, “Multiplle Trackbacks field in edit screen removes spaces btw. URL's on save/update in 3.4 & 3.4.1.” & the 21624:21624.patch .

    so, might be in 3.4.2. so yay! thanx for working this out with us, all.

    — faddah
    portland, oregon

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