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Seeking compliant catalog and shopping cart (28 posts)

  1. redneck
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I am employing a pretty clean shopping cart solution for my business called OSCommerce. However, since getting involved with WordPress, I am impatient with the clunky and confused mixture of logic and presentation found with this system. At the moment I am trying to rework a CSS-only version of OSCommerce's index.php, but it's rough going and index.php is one of many template files used by the system.
    So I started wondering if there was a better solution, something more along the lines of what I like most about WordPress. Here are my criteria for a new system:

    • PHP and MySQL
    • Clean and compliant template files
    • Produced by a primarily English-speaking team
    • Smart and professional user community
    • Lots of plug-in hacks for credit card handling, UPS handling, QuickBooks support, etc
    • Stuff like that

    If anyone has any experience or advice, your suggestions would be most welcome.

  2. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    redneck: This is where I am headed as well. I am unable to contribute yet but let me think about it. I have a feeling a whole lot of people may be interested in this.

  3. redneck
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Good, then I'll keep watching this thread to see what happens.
    By the way, I thought I might mention why I am using OSCommerce in the first place: among other features, what I like best is the well-designed and comprehensive administrative interface. A good admin interface is arguably one of the most important features of an online store solution, and yet in many cases it seems to have been an afterthought.
    The OSCommerce admin interface is very good, with no significant Javascript dependencies.
    I'd like to find something like that, though structured and compliant like WordPress.

  4. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Let me know when you find it.

  5. _mf_
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Redneck: I'm guessing you're doing this for a customer or for profit (since it's a shopping cart). Why not ask the OS Commerce team / developers to improve it and offer to pay for it ? You may be in for a good surprise - perhaps someone's even already done it or planning it.

  6. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Better still: Offer to improve theirs and get them to pay you. Let's not lose sight of the ball! To be serious I hope that we can do this in a WP framework. Add multiple blogging and Wow! Matt will be Master of the Universe.

  7. redneck
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Well, I posted a question on the OSCommerce forums about CSS-compliant templates and was basically laughed at. I'm going to hack up an index.php file anyway and see how hard it is. But there are many files.
    I think what got me to thinking about a different solution from OSCommerce was my impressions of the OSCommerce "community" vs the WordPress "community." Even though the OSCommerce people should be more "serious," since they are all in business by definition, I find I am not really that impressed with them, compared to the expertise I find here. Perhaps I am not fair, since I haven't spent a lot of time there, but the more I thought about it the more I wished I could use something akin to WordPress for my shopping cart.
    I'll be implementing the OSCommerce stuff anyway, since I need to be taking orders in less than a month and I have already paid an OSCommerce consultant to help me get up to speed. But I am thinking further ahead.
    I'll post a link to my commercial site when it is ready, here or on my blog. Y'all will probably be pretty surpised when you see what my business really is.

  8. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Redneck, I attempted converting OSCommerce to have clean markup and search-engine optimized URIs. I got pretty far but the project fell through. It was a huge pain and I wouldn't want to do it again.

  9. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I am just beginning to sketch out in my mind what functionality a catalogue has that WP does not. The answer is not much. Usual issues of tracking the customer, storing the selections and secure ordering and a few bits but really what is it? A few php calls and a tweak of the mysql. My gut feeling from allusion's posts is that this may not be on the WP agenda for a while. There is however a formidable PHP community here and hopefully someone might start a hack.

  10. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    This goes beyond a 'hack'. For someone to run a business on it, it needs a number of serious modules, with a lot of security forethought, and integration with outside products...
    Sounds like something someone could build a company around, but then again why isn't there more of this already.. gotta wonder.. ;) It's a lot of pieces to pull together, and there are tons of shopping cart, order, etc., systems out there, not to mention systems like Yahoo Shopping which package it all up for you neatly.
    -d
    http://www.chait.net

  11. redneck
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I did a little reasarch last night.
    At least one OSCommerce user has started a support forum for losing the tables (most of them) and making OSCommerce more CSS compliant: http://forums.eeweb.nl/
    This fellow has already developed a mostly table-free version of OSCommerce: http://forums.oscommerce.com/index.php?showtopic=71930
    Some of the sites that use it look pretty clean: http://www2.voimaharjoittelu.net/
    I believe very much in the best tool for the job. WordPress is not a catalog and shopping cart and it wouldn't make sense to try to bend it into one (I'm making enough trouble for myself trying to turn it into a general-purpose CMS). On the other hand, it's reasonable to extend the WordPress model of XHTML compliance and CSS use to other web applications.
    OSCommerce is the best catalog/shopping cart application I have found (for my criteria). I think we can bend this towards a cleaner model.

  12. likoma
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    It's been almost a year now since this last post. I'm about to dive into the shopping cart deep end and I'd LOVE to integrate it with WordPress and ideally OSCommerce (or some other web-based shopping cart).

    Any suggestions, links, theories, etc. welcome. I'll post what I learn here.

    - Bradley

  13. Dan Milward
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Yes I agree. An integrated shopping cart plugin would be excellent!!!

    If you don't think its a good idea then don't spoil it for those that do, go and post your negative vibes somewhere else :D

  14. Denis de Bernardy
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Mm... I wonder... Would you think a bounty to whoever makes the best shopping cart plugin during the wordpress plugin competition would make things happen more quickly? Maybe we could achieve this by setting up a dedicated paypal account.

  15. RobinMillette
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    According to the
    oscommerce changelog
    , it was last updated in july 2003. Since then, the fork called ZenCart has been gaining a lot of momentum.

  16. manmachine
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Hi,

    i'm about to release a XHTML / CSS tableless oscommerce fork , called osCSS .
    First public release will be out during May 2005 .
    More info here : http://counteractdesign.com/blog/index.php/Oscss
    Demo shop : http://counteractdesign.com/ms2css/product_info.php?products_id=19
    Forum: http://counteractdesign.com/forum/index.php

    all in french so far , we are looking for some serious translators

  17. skurt
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    i just checked the www for good solutions with wp and oscommerce, so i found this thread.
    Are there any news since lat posting?

  18. Nnyan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    So far none of the solutions I've found work very well (at least I can't get them working) so I'm starting to think of ditching WP for just a plain shopping cart.

    Anyone know of something that integrates well with WP?

  19. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Have y'all looked at CubeCart? I did a CubeCart and WordPress site here:
    http://prettypluslingerie.co.uk

    Another one here, though no WP integration:
    http://somestore.com/store/

    Only a few pages in the cart generate table code, and they're ones where it's sensible for it to be there, most of the code is pure xhtml/css.

    There was a security patch recently so things were a bit jumbled there since it happened over the holiday, but the community is a good one (unlike ZenFart . . um ZenCart), the forum is active and helpful, and the cart works a treat. It doesn't have quite as many features as OSCommerce or Zen, but it seems to have enough for most, and the setup and templating are VERY easy.

  20. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    I'll second the Cubecart, using CSS, it was easy enough for me to integrate it with an existing WP custom design.

  21. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well, I'll "third" it. It's a super piece of programming, the community is great, the developer is responsive and concerned with the community (unlike many....), and even though the "comes with" templates are mostly in tables, it's easy enough to rip the tables out....

    Oh, and if you happen to be looking for a lovely lovely link directory script that's got a great community and is sleek, easy to tweak code, try eSyndiCat: http://esyndicat.com/

  22. Nnyan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Anyone mind posting a simple step by step how to integrate?

  23. clarke1866
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Any general info would be great! Cheers

  24. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well, which one are we talking about here? In the last couple of months, Cubecart has petrified to a standstill for some reason - there were some security problems, and it seems the dev hasn't really cranked up since then. I don't know what to say about it now, other than that I'm not going to actually use it live until some forward motion is perceived; and I'm now looking for something else.

    eSyndiCat: latest version out early Feb (pro version that is, $120 for an unlimited-domains license which I MORE than cheerfully paid!); next pro version scheduled for May. This is such a quality piece of programming.... I can't say enough good things about it.

    Here's three sites running SynCat that I've done totally tableless themes for, each very different:

    http://findsouthernutah.com/resources/
    http://reallyrelevantresults.com/
    http://panguitch.communityfirstsource.com/resources/

    You will note that these are sites-in-progress, not a lot of links etc. as yet.... As to the templating, the first one was a RIGHT BITCH - that was findsouthernutah (which looks like a 3col but really is only 2); panguitch wasn't far behind; RRR was a piece of cake compared.

    If you want to start taking the template apart, I'll be happy to help as I can (around the "paying jobs" of course!) - email vkaryl *AT* bytehaven *DOT* com.... and be sure you put something in the subject line about wp or syncat or something so I don't just trash it!

  25. clarke1866
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Thanks for sharing. Let me chew on what you have said and I'll get back to you.

  26. JuryDuty
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Just found this thread, but I've been looking hard for a WordPress-based shopping cart solution myself. I just found WPShop which seems to have a certain amount of momentum. It's relatively new and you must integrate with PayPal, but here's the rub: it works.

    I installed this plugin into my site and was able to set up several products and get them to carry all the way through a PayPal purchase with any major credit card. Yay!

    That said, it has a lot of bugs. Cataloged items didn't show up the way I'd have liked in all cases and it's certainly missing some features. It's also created in the UK, and I found several items I'd want to change, specifically a version that is US-only as I don't plan to sell outside the US.

    Finally, I think there all sort of opportunities for expansion on this plug in, such as being able to customize more and highlight the best-selling products in your sidebar, etc.

    Anyway, this is the most promising solution I've found. Love to hear what others think as well as if there are other solutions out there since the last post...

  27. JuryDuty
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

  28. Dan Milward
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Try out the latest version of WP e-Commerce. The first and the best shopping cart plugin to hit the streets.

    Its getting better and better all the time! A new version has just been released. Have a play :)

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