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Requires signup to a commercial service? (24 posts)

  1. Mark
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    In order to download this plugin, you need to subscribe first. The email confirmation you get contains a link and the following text:

    CONFIRM BY VISITING THE LINK BELOW:

    http://www.aweber.com/z/c/?rzsjz3cfdsgau9k62pbi50djbctzupk=3286

    Click the link above to give us permission to send you
    information. It's fast and easy!

    The site linked to is not the MaxBlogPress site; apparently, a commercial service is used to handle the subscriptions. What I don't like about is is the "give us permission to send you information" part. Who's going to guarantee me that my email is not going to end up in some commercial database?

  2. andrewpeacock
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    That is a commercial mailing list. Some plugin owners (myself included) do use plugin sharing as a way of building a list that we can market to. Some even SELL (shock horror!) their plugins, to cover their support and development costs. Again, myself included.

    I guess you have two options. Subscribe, download the plugin, and then unsubscribe (which is done in one click with Aweber). Or don't use the plugin and write one yourself that does the same function.

    Sorry to be blunt, but some of us do have to earn a living, just like people who sell quality WP themes.

    Hope that helps,
    Andy

  3. andrewpeacock
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Oh, and I should add that aweber are not shady. They are probably the most highly-respected provider of mailing list services around today. You HAVE to click that link to be added to their list, and if you click the unsubscribe link (that comes at the bottom of each mail you receive via their service), you WILL be unsubscribed. End of story.

    The service they offer is no different to your bank going to a third-party print-and-mail company to send you mail about their latest insurance deal. The bank's main business is not mailshot management, so they outsource it. The person who wrote this plugin isn't in the email newsletter business, so he outsourced it. Nice and simple really.

    Regards,
    Andy

  4. trackbikes
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I've never heard of aweber being referred to as a shady service before!

    Aweber are an autoresponder service.Probably the foremost one available at the moment and currently being considered for takeover by Google. Autoresponders allow messages to be sent to you without the site owner having to address every subscriber individually.

    If you don't like it then don't subscribe..after all by signing up you are asking to receive correspondence from the site owner.. How do you expect them to contact you with updates if you don't subscribe?

  5. moshu
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am not so concerned about aweber (see above) but more about this:
    In order to download this plugin, you need to subscribe first.
    That makes any "product" NOT FREE - although the plugin's homepage carefully avoids mentioning anything about licensing and/or the price of it. If I have to give my email address in exchange for something - then that's the price.

  6. MichaelH
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Interestingly, Codex got spammed today with someone adding a very similar plugin under a different name. And to download that plugin you have to register and receive a password.

    It seems too much like a coincidence that the user that added the stuff to Codex did it in a mamer very similar to the way MaxBlogPress tried to add stuff to Codex in the past.

  7. trackbikes
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'd rather give my email address than the $97 or $197 I've seen being charged for some plugins. Anyway thats what throw away email addresses are for... The temporary inbox plugin for firefox is your friend!

  8. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    For continuity purposes: Andrewpeacock's two comments were released from the akismet queue 7 hours after trackbike's comment above.

  9. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The only requirement for being listed in the WordPress plugins directory is that the plugin has a GPL license.

    I've downloaded the plugin and had a look at it. It appears to be GPL licensed. It's also directly downloadable from here, without subscription.

  10. Mark
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Thanks, andrewpeacock, for clarifying. Let me make clear that I'm not shocked by people who try to 'SELL' plugins.

    I intended to append a question mark to the title of the topic — reading the other replies, 'shady' was definitely not the right word for Aweber. I cannot edit my own OP anymore; Otto42, could you perhaps change the title of the topic into "Requires signup to a commercial service"?

    My main issue however was (and still is) with the text of the confirmation mail, which appears to imply more than just signing up to download a plugin ("Click the link above to give us permission to send you information.") That text, coupled with the fact that the confirmation link led to a commercial service, just didn't give me a perfectly secure feeling. Which is why I posted here for clarification.

  11. mackeydesigns
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The greatest part is I don't even receive the confirmation link email. I've tried 4 times, with 2 different email addresses and I've even emailed them directly.

    Nothing.

  12. moshu
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Did you try this?

  13. mackeydesigns
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Yea I did. It's the same thing. Requires confirmation link to proceed. I click to activate and it says an email was already sent to me. It's not caught in my spam so I have no idea why I wouldn't get it.

  14. moshu
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Sorry, I think Otto missed the fact that if there is no subscription requirement on the Extend page... the plugin still tricks you into registration: when activated, it opens a page in your blog's admin where you must register.
    Tricky...

  15. mackeydesigns
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Yea, I used another email that worked. After I clicked the activation link, i quickly "unsubscribed" from their list, but wasn't able to activate the plugin.

    After re-subscribing to the service, I was.

  16. Joni
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    @Moshu, with all due respect NOTHING is free then by your yardstick. It takes time to download, unzip and install a plugin or theme. I bill at $75 an hour so therefore it's costing me, right? There is a price for everything. Usually "free" means I don't have to open my wallet or click on a PayPal link.

    I'm not talking specifically about the tricky subscription requirement; I have waaay too much needless email in my inbox right now. But talking about plugins in general that require nothing more than your own time and effort to install them. :)

    BTW, I LOVE to click on plugin developers' paypal and wishlist links. They are some of the unsung heroes of WP, very much underappreciated.

    Joni :-P

  17. moshu
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    BTW, I LOVE to click on plugin developers' paypal and wishlist links

    I do, too! And did it many times.
    The difference is (and this is crucial!) that in those cases it is your choice and my choice to do it. Nobody forced us by shady tactics...

    (I even ordered custom plugin, paid for it and agreed to be released under GPL to the general public, if that matters)

  18. Mark
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The download Otto42 linked to above worked. But there has been an update of the plugin for WP 2.5 so that it now requires registration even to work (not just to download). The Settings page displays the following message:

    "Please register the plugin to activate it. (Registration is free)
    In addition you'll receive complimentary subscription to MaxBlogPress Newsletter which will give you many tips and tricks to attract lots of visitors to your blog."

    What I don't like is that this condition is not mentioned anywhere. Not on the WP Plugins page, not on the download page of the MBP website itself. I find that bordering on the misleading.

  19. RichardSchulz
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Interesting bit of conversation on the concepts of what constitutes free or not...

    But I have a bigger Question...How well does this Plug-in work?

    Thanks for any positive feed back

  20. Mark
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It works very well, if you agree to activate it by registering.

  21. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Find this line in the main PHP file:
    add_option('mpo_activate', 0);

    Change it to this:
    add_option('mpo_activate', 2);

    No more registration requirement. This change must be made before you activate the plugin. You can deactivate it and reactivate it though.

    However, after looking closely at this plugin, I fail to see what it does that's in any way useful... Most of the major claims on his page are incorrect, and nothing the plugin actually does seems to be particularly useful in the long run. If you leave the default pinging service set to pingomatic, then his claims are totally wrong, as the pingomatic won't overping the ping services no matter what you do.

    As far as pinging on edit goes, you would actually want to ping when editing a post. That's sort of the whole point of pinging, to notify of changes. WordPress will indeed ping on editing a post, and that's a good thing. The pinging on future posts problem was fixed a long time ago, and the pinging on new posts is normal.

    The plugin just seems rather useless to me.

    Edit: Actually, the plugin seems rather dangerous to me. It doesn't use nonces or any proper security measures, and it's passing GET parameters around directly without any sanitizing. While it might be safe, it's useless and uncertain enough that I'd classify it as a security risk.

  22. Jayen
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    In reply to Otto42's last posts about the plugin not being usefull:

    That may have been true when you posted, but now the plugin has reporting built in that shows you useful info like whether or not each ping service worked when pinged, in a nice and clear color coded way. Personally with so many services/urls not working any more, i find the plugin worth while just for this.

    In regards to the registration:

    I've already mentioned this before, but in short, i have no problem with it, there plugins are more than worth it (especially some of there other plugins) and if you don't want to stay subscribed you can just unsubscribe, it really isn't difficult :)

    In fact I'd go as far to say that i'm glad they do it, because this helps them build their business and so they can spend more time making and supporting good quality plugins that i can use. They have to make a living and if their plugins don't make money for them, there's only so much free time they can spend on their support and development! A free plugin that also allows the publisher to make money is really the best of both worlds for a pluging user in my mind :) But well that's just the way my mind works :) :)

    Also in regards to Spam:

    For starters if you agree to someone's newsletter, than what they sand you is not Spam PERIOD.

    Secondly, they don't send out all that many emails and quite often when they do it's about updates to there free plugins. Yes they do promote there paid plugins and sometimes other peoples software and services/products, but so far from what i've seen it's been good stuff if you're interested in that kind of stuff. But seriously you can just unsubscribe if you decide there emails don't have nay value to you, i personally haven't been sent anything from them yet that has made me want to unsubscribe, but that's just me.

    Also in regards to the concern over them giving your email address to other people, i really don't think they'd do that, it just wouldn't be worth it for the bad name they'd eventually end up with because of it, their newsletter is worth money to them and their not going to do any thing to hurt that, plus i've seen no evidence of it since i've been subscribed.

    Sorry for the long post, i never meant to write this much :)

    Oh and sorry about the use of so many smileys, it's just my style lol

    Jayen

  23. whooami
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Also in regards to the concern over them giving your email address to other people, i really don't think they'd do that, it just wouldn't be worth it for the bad name they'd eventually end up with because of it, their newsletter is worth money to them and their not going to do any thing to hurt that, plus i've seen no evidence of it since i've been subscribed.

    and you have no way of knowing whether or not any of that is TRUE. Thats all speculation, and worthless opinion-based crap, frankly.

  24. Jayen
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    whooami no i can't say 100% for sure, but like i said i've seen no evidence of it, the email i currently use with them was getting no spam before i signed up and it has continued to get no spam.

    All i can tell you is what i do know, they've helped me out when i had problems and continued to support their plugins making them better with each upgrade while continuing to develop new ones.

    Yes at the end of the day what i said is my opinion, but that opinion is based on my expirience so far of them, take it for what it's worth.

    Jayen

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