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[REQ] Improved search on this forum (23 posts)

  1. philpeeps
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I have read that the admins of this site are opposed to different support board software, but the search feature of this forum is not very good.

    For example, I have been keeping an eye on a couple of the threads related to Coppermine, and would like to see other items related to Coppermine and other ways users have integrated or used Coppermine to compliment their WordPress installation.

    However, the search only brings up a limited number of thread matches (only 15 and in some cases only 5 if they are the same in all 3 post categories shown in the search), not every thread that deals with Coppermine. While this isn't a big deal for what I am searching for, it can be really frustrating when trying to find a solution to a particular problem and error when the 15 links that "match" your search criteria are almost related, but don't quite help solve your problem.

    I have read the arguments against using other software, but I strongly encourage the admins of this site to reconsider, at a minimum, the way the search results are returned if they will not consider other forum software for this support forum.

    Also, I know you can use Google to seach this site, but why not just offer a helpful search tool here? Why rely on Google to crawl this site when the posts are all stored in a searchable database anyways? Then you don't need to wait on Google to index a new post that might help solve your problem or improve your site?

  2. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    The software that powers this site, bbPress, is constantly being worked on and all suggestions are welcome and considered.

  3. philpeeps
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Then I suggest the search function be modified to a search similar to other popular forums. For example, allowing the user to choose sub-forums to search, choosing a date range, searching titles or full text, etc...

    Also, do not limit the number of search results, as it can really be frustrating to a user with a problem that may not know every keyword they should be searching for to get a helpful search returned. I have given up on a couple things I have tried for not being able to find the solution through a search for the error line number or similar.....

    This might also eliminate re-posts on common topics...

  4. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "This might also eliminate re-posts on common topics..."

    Although I agree with you on the issue of this forum's search facilities, on this last point I'm afraid you're greatly mistaken.

  5. philpeeps
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @Kafkaesqui

    I disagree...If my search had yielded a similar post to this, I would have just appended that post with my comments. However, I was unable to find one after about 5 searches, so I stopped. I think I stumbled upon some discussions about this forum a couple weeks ago and could not find them again.

    Then this post would have been eliminated ;)

  6. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    [Moderated]
    Does your browser not have a Google toolbar?

  7. philpeeps
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @Anon: from my original post

    Also, I know you can use Google to seach this site, but why not just offer a helpful search tool here? Why rely on Google to crawl this site when the posts are all stored in a searchable database anyways? Then you don't need to wait on Google to index a new post that might help solve your problem or improve your site?

  8. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "Then this post would have been eliminated"

    Ah, but you said that it would "eliminate re-posts on common topics," which is a completely different point than you not posting on how lousy the forums search feature is. Not quite the same...

    Anyway, few would disagree that seach here sucks. Why else would we keep pointing out Google? :)

  9. philpeeps
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    but again...does this post come up on Google yet?

    When someone needs answers fast, it would be helpful to have the ENTIRE wordpress support forum at their disposal through the search and NOT have to wait until Google indexes the post from an hour ago with their solution.

    And I have read a post about the search feature here...but again, I could not find it again... ;)

    Perhaps a Google Suggest search would be helpful to indicate common keywords....

  10. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    google is really good with their search engines especially on a PR7 rated forum.

  11. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    The point that Kaf is trying to make, is that over half of the people here don't even bother to search. Regardless of how advanced the feature is, they just can't be bothered, they'd rather have us do the work for them, and we do.

  12. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    What macmanx said.

    If you reread this thread, you'll find no one has disagreed with your arguments on the inadequacies of search hereabouts, so I'm not sure why you keep restating them.

    However, I did and do disagree that a better search engine will cut down on duplicate requests for help. It won't. This doesn't mean the search engine shouldn't be improved. It should--if only that it helps those of us trying to provide answers to those multiple cries for help!

  13. chuckblue
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I try to use the search function before posting. But it could use the improvements asked for above.

  14. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Would somebody have the courtesy to explain why my explanation of why this forum software is inadequate was censored? All I was saying was that you can't expect too much from software that isn't even in the alpha stage of development. That seems to me a reasonable and informative point, since nobody else has bothered to mention it.

  15. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    It was not censored, it was moderated. Your statements were judgemental and not based on facts. The part of your post relevant to the thread topic was maintained.

  16. sadish
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I do believe that, putting the search results into multiple pages with 5 results per page, is a legitimate request. I also think that is not very hard to implement for bbpress developers.

    bbPress , please make a note.

    Thanks

  17. Jinsan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Although I think the search engine could improve, as has already been stated, I don't believe it is inadequate or feeble in anyway. As it is, it does a pretty good job as far as I am concerned as, I assume, it provides the most relevant links for the question that has been asked?

    For example, if the question of "how to cut a cucumber" was searchd for, then those threads which have the word cucumber and are the most accessed would be displayed in relevance/rank?

    The very first thing I try to do is use the search whenever I have or think of a problem, then I make a post. As has been stated, I've seen VBB, phBB and forums of every other type and I have never seen a forum which has not had a third fo duplicate posts. You simply cannot eliminate these because 30% (picking figures out of the air) will probably never, ever use the search and will rely on others to do the search for them and post a link. The way of the world I'm afraid - some will listen, learn and follow - most will just listen and forget

  18. Lobo
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    why not use http://www.phpbb.com/ instead of wast the time trying to improve bbpress ?

    Last stable version: phpBB 2.0.11
    Features:

    A lot of MODs

    [Moderated: phpBB feature list available at above-posted URL]

    * All this is supported by an increasingly large, thriving and friendly community of members from all over the world ready to help with any problems, suggestions or just for general discussion!

  19. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Isn't that like someone saying "Hey, let's use XXX to blog with instead of trying to improve WordPress !!" ?

  20. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    bbPress is being developed by Matt, just the same as WP. One day in the distant future, Matt may have a free weekend and be able to make it better :)

  21. Jinsan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Just a thought partially related to the search feature - but what if, by through some clever magic, the posts were all linked by keywords?

    For example, someone does a search for baked potato - he clicks on the post "How to bake a potato" and somewhere on that page is a relevancy list stating:

    "You may also try these related links

    1. How to sell a baked potato (date)
    2. What to do should a potato become stuck (date)
    3. Potatoes can be a fire hazard (date)"

  22. Lobo
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    @podz: I think is not the same on the case of WP because there is nothing like this over the web (open source/quality) but PHPBB have both (open source/quality) so it will be better to make a bridge between WP and PHPBB and concentrate the efforts on WP.
    To be more clear on my point of view why waste our time trying to remake the bike (design) if you can concentrate your efforts taking the original design and improve it (small changes, tweaks and new materials). But is just my point of view :)

  23. briang1621
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    This seems more like a fight, than someone taking advice. Anyways, http://weblogtoolscollection.com/search-beta.php?q=advanced+search&submit=Search
    here is a good page related to searching in wordpress

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