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recent style changes at wordpress.org (12 posts)

  1. kchayka
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    There must have been some recent style changes on the wordpress.org site. Somebody needs to make a change PLEASE!

    wp4.css, the rule starting at line 943:

    #pagebody {
        overflow: auto;
    }

    This causes a serious usability problem when the browser viewport is narrower than about 960px. Scrollbars appear in the main content area and keyboard scrolling to the right causes text to be chopped off and become largely inaccessible. Either change the overflow value to visible, or remove the rule altogether. It shouldn't be needed anyway.

  2. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    It's not chopped off if you scroll to the right, using the scrollbar that 'overflow: auto' generates. I think this was intentional.

  3. kchayka
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    The overflow property creates a scrolling div, which is GHASTLY for usability and is completely unnecessary on the wordpress.org site. This didn't start until just a few days ago and I cannot believe it was done intentionally. More likely the repercussions weren't really thought through.

    My usual browser window size is 800px wide and I run multiple windows side by side all day long. This is what I get after loading a plugin page and using the right arrow key on my keyboard to scroll right:
    http://www.c-net.us/misc/test/wp/wp-content-scroll.png

    If I scroll down the page I eventually see the extra horizontal scrollbar on the content area, which I have to scroll separately to see what's been lopped off on the right. Very poor user experience there.

  4. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    which is GHASTLY for usability

    On what grounds?

    I cannot believe it was done intentionally

    I think it was.

    My usual browser window size is 800px wide and I run multiple windows side by side all day long.

    That is your choice. You could increase the browser window size if you wanted to.

    If I scroll down the page I eventually see the extra horizontal scrollbar on the content area

    Um... the scrollbar is available whether you are at the top, middle or bottom of the page.

  5. kchayka
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    esmi, I have been doing web programming for 15 years and learned about web usability and accessibility in the early days. Your attitude is condescending and reminiscent of what I will always think of as "clueless deezyners": the bad old days with the expectation that I must change my system settings to accommodate your web site.

    No. That is just plain wrong, and always was.

    I never had to do it before on wordpress.org. Explain the reason why I must do it now, especially since I can fathom no purpose for this new scrolling div. Whoever added it could not have thought it through.

    And you're just plain wrong about the availability of the scrollbars. Lookee see:
    http://www.c-net.us/misc/test/wp/wp-content-scroll2.png

    I have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page to see the extra scrollbar. How is that NOT poor usability?

  6. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    Why are you so infuriated?

  7. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    I have been doing web programming for 15 years and learned about web usability and accessibility in the early days.

    I think I've actually been around a year or two longer - including working with real disabled users as part on a a11y testing team. I've was an administrator of the Guild of Accessible Web Designers years ago, developed high access portals that went onto win awards and helped get the current WordPress Accessibility group up & running.

    And I know that there's no a11y issue with horizontal scrollbars. It may not be great design but horizontal scrollbars, per se, do not create any barriers. So, please, do not play the a11y card.

  8. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    There have been accessibility questions raised in the past of WordPress.org and they've not been resolved. I don't know whether it's related to the massive to-do list of the volunteers that run WordPress.org or a design legacy.

  9. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    @Andrew: Six of one and half a dozen of the other, I imagine. Because wordpress.org is actually a huge network, making even apparently small changes can be quite problematic. With regard to the forums themselves, they're using a highly customised version of the original standalone bbPress application. So again, making changes can be more tricky than usual.

    That said, I'm not aware of any specific a11y issues raised thus far.

  10. kchayka
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    esmi, I did not say it was an accessibility issue. It's a usability issue, which is not the same thing.

    Very disappointing, considering all the work WP has done on responsive design for their default templates. This was an ill-conceived change that was totally unnecessary. And now we're apparently stuck with it for the foreseeable future. That sucks.

  11. leejosepho
    Member
    Posted 9 months ago #

    It's a usability issue

    If you would like to really see a useability issue, take a look along with about half the world in IE8 where the entire forums menu is in a narrow, lateral-scrolling column on the left!

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/this-wordpressorg-site-no-longer-zooms-properly?replies=10

  12. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 9 months ago #

    @kchayka, WordPress.org does not use WordPress. If you see good themes designed by Automatic (WordPress.com) then that has nothing to do with the functionality you see on WordPress.org.

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