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  1. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    A friend just brought this to my attention, since there's a theme listed on this "package" called "Blue Cubes" and I have a Kickass-Boxes in Blue which I've released for noncommercial use under the CC license. I'm not sure I should give this guy's site a link here, so excuse the copy/paste necessity-- please check this out.

    http://www.poweryourwordpress.com/

    One wonders how he can sell other peoples' work and profit from it (maybe even mine, though I'm not paying the dough to that wanker to find out.)

    Just thought maybe everyone should know about this. I don't know what, if anything, can be done.

  2. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yeah, that's some scary stuff. Let me give you $150 and the ftp login for my site....but I'm guessing what he's doing is "legal"...

  3. VaamYob
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I don't see anything wrong here. He's wrapping wordpress around a management interface that makes creating and managing multiple blogs easier.

    That's very similar to cpanel/whm etc wrapping apache/mysql/bind/mail around a management interface that makes creating and managing multiple sites easier.

  4. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hurrrrhhhhh.... I'm not that busy or overworked, regardless that I have a dozen blogs. I'll pass....

  5. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yeah, but cpanel et all are free once you're already paying the hosting....

  6. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well, I won't mince words, I see it as a splog farm... I'm sure the authors of the plugins he's using didn't have that intention of use when they released them, but I guess that's the caveat of free/open source...

  7. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I ran across something about the Calcanis guy somewhere the other day, can't remember where now, but it left a really bad taste in my mouth....

  8. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    He offers 105 themes... one is called Dark Maple - I doubt he made one exactly with the same name as mine :)

  9. gregorsmith
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Likewise, it puts my Scam City theme in a whole new light now...

  10. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Could get ugly, really.... if you change the license now it doesn't obviate him grabbing it before the change.

    Kind of "sub-sub nasty", y'know?

  11. Makki
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    bastard

  12. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Um, I came up with one idea . . . though it borders on being nasty back . . .

    http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/2005/11/power-your-wordpress/

  13. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    As opposed to letting karma take its destined course, you mean? I'd go for that.... I'm sure that karma can always use a helping hand....

  14. Under the current license, I am 75% sure that he is allowed to re-package and sell WordPress. But, I wonder how many of those 150 themes have a non-distribution and non-commercial license? It would be nice to see someone take him to court over that.

  15. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    macmanx, I don't think he's even selling WP, he's selling a package of plugins and themes. On the site it says you are required to install WP, then provide him with your FTP login info (shakes head again), he then dumps all the plugins, themes, and RSS crap onto the persons site. I stopped reading at some point amongst that.

  16. In that case, I wonder how many of those "over 105 dazzling themes" and "over 500 plugins" have a non-distribution and non-commercial license? It would be nice to see someone take him to court over that.

  17. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Likewise.

  18. estjohn
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Looks like he has been doing it since:
    poweryourwordpress.com
    created: 15-Jul-2005
    last-changed: 15-Jul-2005
    registration-expiration: 15-Jul-2006

    registrant-phone: +1.5152401641
    registrant-email: gary@resellmastercourse.com

  19. Would someone mind posting this to the Developer's Mailing List (I'm not a member at this time)? I would like to know what the developers of those "over 500 plugins" have to say about this. ^_-

  20. estjohn
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    And the list of themes
    (I tried to list them, but it is so long.. I dont want to make the post that long. They are avail on that site.)

  21. ifelse
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    "And the list of themes"

    I'd imagine that a large majority of these themes will have been licensed under a GPL license (having been entered in Alex King's theme contest) so technically he's within his rights to redistribute them at cost (though anyone who purchases then can also redistribute them for free if wished) as long as he keeps the license agreement.

    However, I take a very dim view of this spammish site; that said, his target market aren't exactly the most innocent of victims.

  22. dss
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    How silly... what a plodger.

    If you need WP installed, I'll help you out for free. If you want some theme work done I'll quote you my hourly rate to scare you away, but if you take me up on it i won't atually charge you anything [and god help you.]

    the response to this bit of shameless exploitation has been an interesting read. still, i wonder how many people would actually fall for that kind of deal? who really wants a "blog tactics" book?

    In my dim view of the world, i suppose anyone willing to shell out the big bucks for this get rich while you watch tv scheme kinda deserves whatever they get (including the "blog tactics" book they'll never read.)

    Sexy!

  23. VaamYob
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yeah, but cpanel et all are free once you're already paying the hosting....

    It may be free to you, but somebody is paying for the cpanel license.

    Don't get me wrong, this guy's business sounds sleezy, but I don't see what the big deal is here. There are many examples of companies that make good money by repackaging GPL software and charging for
    1. having packaged it (big woop)
    2. service/support
    3. customizations/fixes

    Welcome to the world of GPL.

  24. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    It gets worse. He's got affiliates with cookie cutter sites all selling this sh***t. The mildew is spreading . . .

  25. TechGnome
    Moderator
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I kept waiting for Tony Little or Ron Popiel to pop out and say "But, there's more! Act now and also...."

    Unfortunately I don't think he's done anything wrong. IT may be questionable (such as the blatent lifting of the WPLogo image), but since nearly everything associated with WP is GPL'd...

    -tg

  26. Joni
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well if istockphoto.com can come down on people for using images in a clearly commercial manner, then why can't any of the theme and plugin editors whose works are being "redistributed"?

    Unfortunately, I don't suppose there's any difference in this and me, wearing my web designer hat, offering to install WordPress and X number of themes and plugins to someone's site for $79 (or whatever I felt like charging). Is this a good analogy? It's one thing to create something for WP users to enjoy (plugins and themes); it seems tacky to bundle up someone else's work and offer it to those stupid enough to purchase such a silly thing. Or maybe I'm just mad because I didn't think of it first.

  27. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    -quote-
    I kept waiting for Tony Little or Ron Popiel to pop out and say "But, there's more! Act now and also...."
    -unquote-

    Even worse-- anyone from the greater NYC area remember Crazy Eddie?

    -quote-
    Unfortunately, I don't suppose there's any difference in this and me, wearing my web designer hat, offering to install WordPress and X number of themes and plugins to someone's site for $79 (or whatever I felt like charging). Is this a good analogy?
    -unquote-

    If this is a service you are performing for someone who has not the knowledge or is incapable in some other way, then no, this is not an apt analogy, since this person is paying you for your time and expertise to perform a specific service. Just like the custom and proprietary designs I create and make into wordpress themes for the exclusive use of a particular client are not in any way analogous.

    This "power" person is packaging up the hard work of others, adding very little of any extra value or originality and profiting by it via a line of bs deep enough to bury the whole herd.

  28. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I remember Crazy Eddie from Vegas back when - after he got run out of NYC prob'ly....

  29. notthatugly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well if istockphoto.com can come down on people for using images in a clearly commercial manner, then why can't any of the theme and plugin editors whose works are being "redistributed"?

    I don't think you're allowed to specify non-commercial use under the GPL or any GPL-compatible license. One of the many reasons I don't make themes anymore.

  30. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    So I guess the lesson for the day is: if you're going to be a kind soul, releasing stuff to the wp community to use for free, be sure you specify some other sort of licensing to cover potential scuzball commercial use....

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