Store page is set to grid view
If I click on 'view info' and go to single product item and click on 'add to cart', item is added with no shipping. If I then go back to the store page and click on 'add to cart' another item is added again with no shipping. however...
If I now empty the cart and go to the store page and click on 'add to cart' (in the grid view) the item is added with the correct shipping amount, if I now click on 'view info' (to go to the single product item page and click add to cart, another item is added with the correct shipping amount...
Also If I go direct to single product page and click add to cart, item is added with no shipping amount, if I then go to store (grid view) and click add to cart another item is added but this time with shipping amount (ie now 2 items in the cart but only shipping charge for one item. (should have stated that shipping setting is set to 'each product has its own shipping amount' and shipping charge is set for each product on the product page).
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BEWARE - THIS PLUGIN IS VERY BUGGY AND POORLY SUPPORTED
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wpStoreCart - Ajax Ecommerce
[resolved] [Plugin: wpStoreCart] Internal Shipping calaulation broken (9 posts)
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mike dee
Posted 1 year ago #
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Mike,
I always appreciate bug reports, but I don't monitor the WordPress forum, so I'm glad I caught this. The only place I provide support for free is on these forums:
http://wpstorecart.com/forums/If you have a bug report, please create a ticket here:
http://wpstorecart.com/bugtracker/thebuggenie/wpstorecart/issues/new/bugreportPoorly supported? 60+ releases, 100+ bug patches, & 100+ feature additions in the 9 months since the first release? I'm only 1 person, and yet I juggle daily development, 100+ daily inquiries (email, forum posts, support tickets, phone calls, etc), custom feature requests, and much more. I've worked FULL TIME+ (currently averaging about 55 hours a week) since March of 2010 on this project. I patch bugs as I am able to solve them. For example, the next release (2.4) patches 6 known bugs. All software of sufficient complexity has bugs.
I do not deny that wpStoreCart has some bugs. In fact, you can view all the bugs that I know about here:
http://wpstorecart.com/bugtracker/thebuggenie/wpstorecartWhen it comes to shipping problems, I am actively looking into the issues that you mentioned. Have been for awhile. However, there are a ton of variables involved, and after running into brick wall after brick wall, the only realistic solution is to rewrite the shipping module from scratch.
I'm really sick of critics who throw heaping piles of **** on something that I have sacrificed most of my time/life over the last year and a half to create. If you don't like my ecommerce solution, then go program your own or use another solution. To say it's poorly supported is an insult. I'm beginning to wish I had stayed away from WordPress plugin development altogether. I barely make any money (I average $750/month @ 200 hours/month, you do the math), and I work more than full time on it every week, every month, and so far, all of 2011. This is not adding up to something that is working out. GRRRH. Luckily for my install base, I'm not going to give up. Instead, I'm going to keep working 55+ hours a week or more, I'm going to keep sacrificing all my time away from my family and friends who I never see any more, and I'm going to fix all the bugs, I'm going to keep adding features according to the roadmap, and I'm going to keep at this until I have the best ecommerce solution, period, WordPress or not.
Back to your situation Mike, you said in your last email that you're "not going to 'flog a dead horse'" and that you have "no further interest" in my plugin, and yet you post here a week after sending that email? Seems like you have every interest in flogging this dead horse, and also some interests in my plugin, namely trying to get people to not use it. My family, my son, wife, and daughter appreciate it. Mike, if you wanted to continue to try to work things out, then instead of sending me a email saying you're done working things out and quit, why not send me an email saying "hey, what's the status on that bug fix?" No, instead you send me another email, tell me to forget about you because you're no longer using the plugin, and then come to a public place to rub salt in the wounds. I understand your frustration as a customer... believe me I do. I've been in your position. I buy lots of software. I don't use pirated software, and I've been crazy mad over buggy software I purchased in the past. However, the only way I've ever been able to resolve those issues with the developers was to be polite and work with them, not assume the worst. The key is to keep communication open, honest, and ongoing.
Anyway, I'm sorry I couldn't fix your issue on time. I'm sorry I didn't live up to your expectations. It's not for lack of effort. It's not for lack of support. It's a matter of not being able to reproduce your issues. If I cannot recreate a bug, I cannot fix it. I think we've gone over this before. Despite that, I've actually been rewriting the shipping module from the ground up. Not "fixing" it, but starting over on it from the core. There were some issues with USPS as well, and everything was inconsistent. Shipping would work great for one user, and buggy as hell for the next. A complete rewrite of the shipping module is the conclusion I came to. Sigh, probably another 2 or 3 weeks worth of full time work right there, without dealing with the hundreds of support and pre-sale inquiries I deal with daily. Maybe if I was making full time wages I could hire a little help. Catch-22.
Expect the new shipping core somewhere between wpStoreCart 3 and 3.5, depending on when I finish it.
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Thanks also for the 7 broken votes, and the five 1 star ratings. Really mature.
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WilliamBaller
Posted 1 year ago #
Don't pay attention to haters. Great job on wpStoreCart. We appreciate the hard work.
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Posted 1 year ago #
Jeff,
I think its time for a reality check here. What support have I received?
I initially contacted you enquiring if it was possible to purchase a single user licence and then upgrade to a multi-user licence when I'd finished testing.
Your responded offering me an unlimited licence for $50 as you said you needed $150 to secure a new theme.
I actually sent you $75 as a gesture of good will and support!
10/5/2011 - I emailed you requesting the wpStoreCart Pro files and raising the issue of the odd behaviour with wpStoreCarts internal shipping calculation.
No response.
19/5/2011 - I emailed you a reminded.
No response.
3/6/2011 – I emailed you a reminded.
No response.
22/6/2011 – I filed a PayPal dispute.
Hooray – you responded saying that you had left your reply from 3/6/2011 as a draft and that the files could not be downloaded while the order was set as a dispute.
I replied – “I kinda figured you were probably swamped with emails so when I didn’t get any response I left it as long as I could before resorting to paypal”. I also sent you a link to a site so you could see the bug in action.
29/6/2011 - You said “I will fix this” (so I figured you must have looked at it) and asked if I would cancel the dispute while “we work together to fix this issue”.
6/7/2011 – I emailed you to advise that I had cancelled the dispute and that I was still unable to download the files.
No Response.
19/7/2011 – I emailed you the following message which you seemed to find “rude”?
Hi Jeff
Interesting that I have to raise a PayPal dispute to establish contact with you... as soon as I cancel the PayPal dispute I get ignored again...
This is disappointing, but I'm not going to 'flog a dead horse' here....guess I'll have to chalk this one up to experience.Good luck with your plugin... I have no further interest
Regards
So, as you can see here… I sent plenty of emails saying "hey, what's the status on that bug fix?" but you chose to ignore them.
All I was looking for was one line saying that you were working on it… I got no reply. Instead I have to rattle your cage just to get dialogue.
I’m sincerely sorry that you and your family are struggling Jeff…. But we all have bills to pay. You don’t seem too concerned about my family…I invested $75 in your venture that I had to go out and work hard for, and what did I get for it? .. Well…less than nothing… I didn’t get the wpStoreCart files.. and I wasted time with a plugin which, by your own admission, is fundamentally flawed.
You seem to have time to devote to developing marketing materials (which is reprehensible) and writing page long emails… you’d be better off fixing serious issues.
An ecommerce plugin with a buggy shipping module is useless.
FYI WilliamBaller… I am not a ‘hater’ but I do hate being ripped off! – I’m not disputing that Jeff has put a lot of hard work into the plugin…which may even show some promise some day… but when someone takes your money for a product which they know is flawed and then just ignores you? …. You have to raise a PayPal dispute just to establish contact…. When you are promised to have the issues resolved and are persuaded to cancel the dispute giving up your right to a refund… just to have them go back to ignoring you!! …seems like poor form and poor support to me!
If the shipping calculation is working for you… then your experience is very different from mine.
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Mike,
I initially contacted you enquiring if it was possible to purchase a single user licence and then upgrade to a multi-user licence when I'd finished testing.
Your responded offering me an unlimited licence for $50 as you said you needed $150 to secure a new theme.
I actually sent you $75 as a gesture of good will and support!
I appreciated that, and still do. I thought we had gotten off to a very good start, and was excited to have the in-depth feedback you provided regarding the rendering issues in Opera and other issues. I did end up acquiring the theme thanks to your help, and hope to actually release it one of these days when I have the extra hour to spare away from support and programming tasks. It's been sitting on my hard drive, collecting dust.
22/6/2011 – I filed a PayPal dispute.
Hooray – you responded saying that you had left your reply from 3/6/2011 as a draft and that the files could not be downloaded while the order was set as a dispute.
Yes, I made a mistake, you filed a dispute, I apologized, and we were working things out. It seemed like although our business relationship had taken a hit, we were both willing to work things out.
6/7/2011 – I emailed you to advise that I had cancelled the dispute and that I was still unable to download the files.
No Response.
I did respond to that email right after you sent it. I went inside my Orders dashboard, and marked your payment as Complete, which automatically sends you an email stating that your order is fulfilled and that you can access your downloads. You should still be able to see them here: http://wpstorecart.com/download/my-orders-downloads/
19/7/2011 – I emailed you the following message which you seemed to find “rude”?
Yes, after our PayPal dispute you send me one email, which I followed through on by releasing your downloads & sending the automated email. The next contact I get from you was basically a "I give up, I'm done communicating, and I'm done with your product" sort of email. It took me a bit by surprise. I was expecting more of a "hey, what's up with that bug, did you find a solution yet?" sort of thing.
At that point, since you said you had no further interests, and since I was a bit shocked and offended by your reply, I figured you were serious. Then, I happen to check the forums here, what, 9 days later, and see that now you're out in public trying to wreck my livelihood at a time when rent is just a few days away and I'm $700 short. I have a 3.5 year old daughter, a just turned 2 years old son, a wife, and a cat who I am trying desperately to keep from being homeless. I know, what a sob story huh? But that's the reality of my situation.
So, as you can see here… I sent plenty of emails saying "hey, what's the status on that bug fix?" but you chose to ignore them.
I agree you sent quite a few before the dispute. After the dispute, I got one email from you, which I responded to immediately. I get the next email, and it's the "I quit, have no interests, dead horse" email. I understand why you were so quick on the draw, so to speak, after the dispute, but it still didn't make any sense to me given that I had followed through on the last email.
I’m sincerely sorry that you and your family are struggling Jeff…. But we all have bills to pay. You don’t seem too concerned about my family…I invested $75 in your venture that I had to go out and work hard for, and what did I get for it? .. Well…less than nothing… I didn’t get the wpStoreCart files.. and I wasted time with a plugin which, by your own admission, is fundamentally flawed.
I care about your family, and the PRO files are still right there for you to download any time. And where do I say my plugin is fundamentally flawed? Both Flat Rate and USPS shipping work fine for me. Is there a bug which effects some server configurations? Yes. Does it effect everyone? No. Am I working on fixing it? Yes, I am rewriting the entire shipping module because I cannot recreate your shipping problems. I am going out of my way to fix a problem that I cannot even recreate, because I wanted to help you.
You seem to have time to devote to developing marketing materials (which is reprehensible) and writing page long emails… you’d be better off fixing serious issues.
Yes, let's spend two years and $10,000 creating the best billboard in the universe, and then let's put it in the middle of the desert so that no one ever sees it. Of course I have to do marketing. If I want to make a living, i.e. actually sell something, then I have to tell people about it. Do I like marketing? Hell no, I hate it. I hate ads, I hate selling stuff. I mean, who but the most sadistic person enjoys marketing? And I spend a good 4-6 hours a day just writing emails. It's the most time consuming aspect of my job, especially because of the high volume of email I receive. I agree, my time would be much better spent writing new features, fixing bugs, and otherwise working on improving my product. But I'm a 1 man shop, so I have to wear all the hats. I wear my programmers hat, my support staff hat, my sales hat, my marketing hat, my damage control hat (currently wearing that one now), my web designers hat, etc. etc. The only hat out of those I enjoy is the programmers/web designers hat. Is this reprehensible? Maybe to you, but it's the reality of running a software company to me.
Mike, I recognize my role in this, and not offer an excuse, but a big part of that is that I am overwhelmed by contact. On average, I get over 100 new contacts a day, between pre-sale emails, support emails, support tickets, private messages, facebook support requests, IM, etc. I take every weekend off because I have no choice, I am responsible for my amazing kids on Saturday & Sunday (although I work a bit in the morning, for a few hours during their naps, and then a bit in the wee hours of the morning. My daughter always complains that I work too much, and she's right.) However, every Monday I wake up with about 200-300 new contacts to reply to. With this volume, combined with all my other tasks, I quickly lose track of who is who, where I know them from, what they've ordered, etc. etc.
Not that this is your problem, nor does it justify poor customer service, but I am trying to give you an honest glimpse into my daily work life. Now, if I were making what I used to make when I sold closed source scripts ($3500-$5500/month) then hiring help would be no problem. Also, contacts would be way down, since there would be no free users bugging me all the time. All contact would be either pre-sale or post sale customer support. I think I averaged about 10-20 contacts a day back then.
Anyway, I bring this up because if something doesn't change, instead of one angry "Mike Dee" effecting my business, there may be ten, twenty, or billion angry customers destroying years of hard work due to my inability to keep up with communications & support. I think this situation has been a big wake up call for me that I cannot possible keep up with this volume, and whether or not I can afford it or not, I have to bring in outside help.
So although I am short as hell on rent, I need to address the support system immediately to prevent the total destruction of wpStoreCart. To that end, I just outsourced & hired some small, reliable (high feedback) company on vworker.com for $4/hour for 10 hours a week, to handle all incoming emails, support tickets, etc. Of course, I will still end up dealing with a lot of issues, but this should keep response rates on time, and filter out the unimportant contacts from my attention. That's $40 a week, $160 a month, just to try and prevent miscommunications like this from happening again. Maybe this vworker will pan out, and maybe they won't, (can always try more) but I've got to try something to save my business and home. Hopefully someone will hire my lovely and talented wife soon, so the burden of all the bills isn't mine. Too bad the Federal Reserve/CFR has destroyed the US economy, or my over qualified wife would've gotten a job by now.
When it all boils down to it, I see you as having legitimate reasons for being upset as a customer, especially before the PayPal dispute. I can only assume that after the dispute, either you did not see or get the automatic email. I understand why you jumped to the conclusion you did if that was the case. However, regardless of if you continue to use wpStoreCart or not, the shipping core is already being rewritten to address your issue, and progress will be made. I'm going to check this whole experience off as a good learning lesson myself, and hopefully this situation can be resolved with good spirits intact.
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Speaking of support, here's the fixes and feature additions in the next update to wpStoreCart, due to be released within the next day or three:
= 2.4.0 =
* Added: Custom menu support to wpStoreCart Default theme
* Added: Post thumbnail support added to wpStoreCart Default theme
* Added: Can now toggle between HTML and Rich Editor in the products description
* Added: Draft and Publish modes for products. When you click the Add Product menu, it now immediately creates a new draft product & page.
* Added: Client side form validation added to the admin panel on Add/Edit products page.
* Added: When a PayPal dispute or claim is settled, instead of marking the Order Status as Canceled_Reversal, it is now remarked Completed, and the order is made available to download again
* Fixed: The edit product page now detects if your product page was deleted, and will optionally recreate a new one, or allow you to edit the product without a page associated with it
* Fixed: Bug report wpsc-37 - http://wpstorecart.com/bugtracker/thebuggenie/wpstorecart/issues/wpsc-37
* Fixed: Bug report wpsc-49 - http://wpstorecart.com/bugtracker/thebuggenie/wpstorecart/issues/wpsc-49
* Fixed: Bug report wpsc-11 - http://wpstorecart.com/bugtracker/thebuggenie/wpstorecart/issues/wpsc-11
* Fixed: Removed depreciated attribute_escape() function calls and replaced them with esc_attr()
* Fixed: All wpStoreCart Default theme issues listed here: http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/4149Looking at including a few more bug fixes and new features, and then it's done.
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People - please take these personal disputes elsewhere. This is not the appropriate place to air them.
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Posted 1 year ago #
Thanks Esmi Point taken.
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