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BEWARE: Charges apply! MOBILE or CREDIT CARD details required to u (8 posts)

  1. freemancork
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    I'm sorry but this plugin is a joke through no fault of it's own or the authors. I installed it, activated it and followed the instructions to get my API key with Facebook at the following link...

    http://developers.facebook.com/setup/

    ...which greets me with the following message:

    Your account must be verified before you can take this action. Please verify your account by adding your mobile phone or credit card.

    Are you kidding me? To use this plugin I need to release my credit card details or mobile phone to Facebook? As the plugin author, do you not think that's something you should bring to our attention before we even begin downloading it? What a complete and utter waste of my time.

    Through further research it seems that verification process is fairly hit and miss: http://forum.developers.facebook.net/viewtopic.php?pid=267838

    The SMS seems to rarely work leaving the developer/blogger with but one option of verification: Credit Card. Convenient considering that Facebook charges your credit card for the verification: http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=14827

    Don't take my word for it; there's a useful archive here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125957330783122

    The plugin looks great in the screenshots but to use it I shouldn't have make a choice between rampant unauthorized credit card charges and having my mobile contact sold on to marketing firms.

    Granted this isn't the authors fault but it would been nice to be forewarned rather than losing time having to research the pros and cons.

  2. craigtommola
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    No charges apply.

  3. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Plugin Author

    Posted 3 years ago #

    They don't charge the credit card, they put a "hold" on that amount. And it's only a buck.

    The SMS verification worked for me one time. Some people have reported problems though.

    And anyway, big deal. If you want to connect to their stuff, they just want to be sure that you're a real person and not some kind of spammer or something.

    Also, I know people at Facebook personally. They don't "sell your mobile contact info to marketing firms".

    Bottom line: If you don't trust Facebook, then you shouldn't be trying to connect your site to them in the first place.

  4. freemancork
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Thanks for the replies craigtommola and Otto.

    No charges apply.

    Yes, they do. Reread my post and follow the relevant link.

    And anyway, big deal. If you want to connect to their stuff, they just want to be sure that you're a real person and not some kind of spammer or something.

    Fair enough. I could have sworn I read a few instances where non-developers are also being targeted. Can you shine any light on this either way?

    Also, I know people at Facebook personally. They don't "sell your mobile contact info to marketing firms".

    I should have clarified that that's speculation on my part.

    Bottom line: If you don't trust Facebook, then you shouldn't be trying to connect your site to them in the first place.

    I guess that's the operative rational; I don't so I won't. Facebook represents one of the biggest one erosions in net privacy and neutrality. Surely you can conjure the amount of intelligence marketers and government can derive from the cumulative Facebook accounts. For me, it's a matter principle but each to their own.

  5. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Plugin Author

    Posted 3 years ago #

    Yes, they do. Reread my post and follow the relevant link.

    I did read your link. You're wrong, they're talking about a "hold". A hold is not a charge. A hold is what they do before a charge actually happens.

    Fair enough. I could have sworn I read a few instances where non-developers are also being targeted. Can you shine any light on this either way?

    Certain types of actions on Facebook (making Pages, make applications, etc) require your account to be verified as belonging to a real person. This is not developer specific, it just happens if you try to do more than build your own personal profile.

    I guess that's the operative rational; I don't so I won't. Facebook represents one of the biggest one erosions in net privacy and neutrality. Surely you can conjure the amount of intelligence marketers and government can derive from the cumulative Facebook accounts. For me, it's a matter principle but each to their own.

    Fair enough, but if you don't trust Facebook, then why try to hook your website to their system in the first place? Makes no sense to me.

    And anyway, they do have very strong privacy settings on Facebook. Use them. Or, if you don't trust them so much, then delete your account completely. Problem solved.

  6. freemancork
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    A hold is not a charge.

    I was addressing craigtommola. I probably confused you by not blockquoting his reply. Regardless, I was still incorrect. Thanks for the clarification. What's the rational behind the hold? Is this action enough for verification? As an aside, it doesn't remedy my grievance. I don't want any social network interacting with finances hold or no hold. Are these measures commonplace for working with APIs in general?

    it just happens if you try to do more than build your own personal profile.

    Understood.

    why try to hook your website to their system in the first place?

    I don't know what the said hooking entails. It was my intention to review Facebooks interaction with my site upon trialling the plugin and make a go or no go decision. Judging by your question I'd have probably opted for no go.

    they do have very strong privacy settings on Facebook

    That's not necessarily the kind of privacy I'm referring to; it's not even my privacy I'm necessarily concerned with seeing as how I'm registering an organization. It's a principled concern. Let's just say that if I were in the upper echelons of government responsible for the managing the populace, Facebook would be one of the more obvious tools for psychologically profiling an array of demographics and thereafter anticipating group or individual behavioral patterns. I find this disingenuous especially when the likely outcome of the findings will be used for steering or manipulating a populace. More here: http://www.albumoftheday.com/facebook/

    Or, if you don't trust them so much, then delete your account completely. Problem solved.

    It's just not that black and white buddy. Desire and necessity are two completely different things.

  7. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Plugin Author

    Posted 3 years ago #

    I was addressing craigtommola. I probably confused you by not blockquoting his reply. Regardless, I was still incorrect. Thanks for the clarification. What's the rational behind the hold? Is this action enough for verification? As an aside, it doesn't remedy my grievance. I don't want any social network interacting with finances hold or no hold. Are these measures commonplace for working with APIs in general?

    The reason for the hold is basically a check to see if the card info is accurate. If you have a valid card in your name, then presumably you're a real person. It could be worked around, certainly, but not easily. Google does the same trick for some forms of identity verification.

    It's not necessarily commonplace, no, but FB is all about having real people with accounts and being tied to identity. They dislike the idea of people using multiple accounts and things of that nature.

  8. freemancork
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Cheers for the insight Otto!

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