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[Plugin: AdSense Manager] Does this Plugin contain a hidden Adopinion Ads? (13 posts)

  1. dusanr
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I recently noticed that Adopinion ads are appearing on my site where I have google ads (note: i never used adopinion in my life) every once in a while, like 1:100, an adopinion ad appears, so I wonder is that some kind of hidden bull**** you added in your plugin to steal our traffic away?

    The adopinion code: http://www.adpinion.com/app/record_click?authkey=DA662F590927CBA8&website=135667&object_id=5647

    So please explain this to me.

    Dusan

    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/adsense-manager/

  2. jimjam
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    The silence is deafening !!!!!

  3. HiDomo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    After looking into this, it DOES appear to be the case:

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/120613

    Pretty shady way of making money. If the author has done it before, there is little doubt he's still doing it.

    Ashame this plug-in has become the #1 Adsense plugin for WordPress.

    :[

  4. HiDomo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Further:

    "I'm the developer of AdSense Manager. At the moment it isn't clear whether using the plugin is a violation of the Google T&Cs or if it was just the feature which donated a share of Ads to me."

    All I can say is WOW..

  5. HiDomo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/205094

    Nor does this appear to be only AdSense plug-in siphoning off revenue.. The 2nd most popular plug-in does it as well. It seems like WordPress should ban them. How deep does this rabbit hole go?

    Hey check out the new feature that donates 15% of your revenue to me! Come on, 113,764 people can be generous!

  6. mutube
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I'm the developer of the plugin so here's a few points:

    Donating to use this plugin is not compulsory - there is quite a clear option to turn it off. If you follow the installation instructions it even explains how to do this, as you install it. For what it's worth, a lot of people do switch it off (far fewer than 113,764 are donating money to me).

    Development of this plugin took a lot of time, supporting it takes even more. Being a popular plugin isn't actually an advantage (think about it): on average I receive 4 support requests A DAY via email. When I can I drop in here also to update and correct. That takes time, something I don't have a lot of available.

    I added the Be Nice donation as a way to justify (to myself) spending as much time as I did coding this plugin up when I really should be earning a living instead. This has gone well past being a hobby to being a complete chore. You may react with horror that someone would ask to be paid (voluntarily) for their work, but some people tell me they think it's a really nice idea. Go figure.

    All this is slightly irrelevant anyway. Even with the Be Nice donations the workload maintaining/supporting this plugin is too high to justify keeping it up. I'm currently discussing with alternate developers to take over. As soon as I stop spending time on this Be Nice will be disabled, simple as that.

  7. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I think your statement from this post says it all to anyone who can read.

    "Otto42: That's not true. Google specifically say that once you have approved your original domain you can place your ads on any other domains as you see fit. They do not require you to re-approve every single site your ads are used on. It may be that these have to be your own sites (if that is what "Your Site(s)" refers to) but I wouldn't read that as explicit."

    It is pretty clear from reading most of the relevant posts on this subject, that most people would perceive that your ethics allowed you to assume this practice was acceptable. I'm actually more in awe that you would then post that statement, that on the surface, seems to be a blatant representation of consciousness of guilt. Seems kind of vengeful and shady regardless of the "justification" you tried to provide above. Of course, that is just my opinion. I hope it turns out okay for you.

  8. mutube
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    ClaytonJames: I'm sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. The quoted post was related to Google's problem with the original implementation of the Be Nice donations which rotated my google ID into sites using the plugin. This was a problem for Google because it broke site targetting on their end especially with regard to referrals. After discussing it with them this was removed.

    When I removed the donations from the plugin a considerable number of people complained to Google about it being unfair that I couldn't get support for the work I was doing on it. That may not make sense to your 'ethics' but it did to theirs. Following 3 releases with the Be Nice donations disabled, they were re-started using an alternate ad system which Google also confirmed was perfectly fine with them.

    The system is completely voluntary, provides a big box to disable it, and includes instructions in the installation telling you how to do just that. When activated it donates 3% of ad space (not 15% as HiDomo claims) to me from which I currently make a grand total of $25/mo (combined income from all users).

    If all of this is too difficult to understand you are of course also perfectly free to not use the plugin at all. I won't lose any sleep over it I assure you.

  9. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I have no difficulties with my comprehension, nor my perceptual abilities. My comment was purely observational in nature. I simply sometimes forget that others may not always be on the same page as I am.

    I'm sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here

    I'll elaborate. I made the assumption (possibly errantly), that anyone with sufficient intelligence to write, distribute, and maintain such a highly technical and much demanded piece of code such as this, would see the pitfalls of
    creating an appearance that "bending" the good faith intentions of a TOS... ("It may be that these have to be your own sites (if that is what "Your Site(s)" refers to) but I wouldn't read that as explicit.")"... is SOP for you. I can see where that may not necessarily be beneficial to the prosperity of your body of work.

    It's just a matter of perception. Not a personal attack. None of the concerns raised came from me, but I understand your defensive posture. I personally don't have any difficulty reading instructions, disabling features I don't like, or modifying things to work the way I want them to. I think you should be charging for it. Everyone wants to get paid for their work, now don't they? So again... and take this in the spirit in which it was actually intended... I hope it turns out okay for you. That being a sincere thought based again on your own words.

    ...All this is slightly irrelevant anyway. Even with the Be Nice donations the workload maintaining/supporting this plugin is too high to justify keeping it up. I'm currently discussing with alternate developers to take over. As soon as I stop spending time on this Be Nice will be disabled, simple as that.

    Peace.
    Cj

  10. userbbp
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    By default, your Plugin will rotate 3% of the total ad impressions publishing your own ads to someone else's website in which AdSense manager is activated, can you kindly confirm this? And upon upgrade of the plugin version, will it overwrite and revert back the same 3% Be Nice value?

    I think Clayton's point was crystal clear. The manner you took care of the previous Google issue was unethical when you were very well aware of it. What is not "explicit" with "Your Site(s)"? The New York Times site doesn't become yours should they decide to use your plugin, does it?

    Actually, Google was very very nice to overturn the banning of your AdSense account. A lot of innocent people who never had legions of people lobbying for their account to be salvaged could have deserved the same treatment.

    With that said, I think you are a bright, if not cunning, entrepreneur and programmer. Hell, if you released this plugin for a 1$ charge per download, it would still sell like hotcakes. I just think you were not forthright about your business practices. If my instincts were right, you followed the footsteps of the author of "AdSense Deluxe" who did the same thing.

    At any rate, you deserve to be rewarded for the fruits of your labour in an ethical means. Good luck to you and your future endeavors.

  11. mutube
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    blognewb: This might sound a little patronising but you're coming to this awfully late. I don't disagree with Clayton's point but the post pointed to was not about what s/he & you think it was. When Google originally blocked my account there was no indication what part of the T&Cs was actually being broken or even whether it was the plugin doing it. Following that I received a note from Google clarifying the part of the T&Cs being broken and I modified the plugin to fix the problem and resumed distribution.

    In hindsight this bit "Web site, or other means other than Your Site(s)" clearly distinguishes between sites you own and sites you don't. To be honest I didn't notice that at the time. Elsewhere in the T&Cs 'your sites' is used rather generically to refer to any site showing your ads. It's probably worth making the point that rotating ads onto sites you don't own but contribute to is acceptable to Google (think Author AdSense) even though this would also be in violation of a strict reading of the T&Cs.

    But again: this happened over a year ago. I was quite happy with the resolution with Google at the time and respect their right to allow/disallow whatever they want on their network. I was simply a 'bit annoyed' at the lack of clarification.

    Your point about pay-per-download is wishful thinking, same as those that believe you can get by on donations. It just doesn't happen, sorry. The success of AM is dependent on it being in WordPress Extend which does not allow payment per download. Without W/E you lose audience, bandwidth and auto-updates. When I originally hosted this plugin on my own server I lost money from bandwidth costs alone (the original trigger for the Be Nice).

    As mentioned the BN will be off shortly. I'm in discussions with a (ad) company to take over development of the plugin from here on. Once the first updates come through this will all be academic.

  12. mutube
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    And upon upgrade of the plugin version, will it overwrite and revert back the same 3% Be Nice value?

    Nope. Missed that bit sorry.

  13. klajdi2
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    "Development of this plugin took a lot of time, supporting it takes even more."

    You have spent no more than one day for this plugin.

    "Being a popular plugin isn't actually an advantage (think about it): on average I receive 4 support requests A DAY via email."

    So, since this plugin made your life so difficult why you don't just remove it?

    "...did coding this plugin up when I really should be earning a living instead."

    Do you really think we are so stupid?

    "When I removed the donations from the plugin a considerable number of people complained to Google about it being unfair that I couldn't get support for the work I was doing on it."

    Oh man, give me a f*x#@$ break!!

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