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[closed] Please support older browers (26 posts)

  1. pubwvj
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Please continue to support older web browsers. I just updated to WP 3.2. Then I went to my dashboard and got the nasty little message:

    "It looks like you're using an old version of Safari. For the best WordPress experience, please update your browser."

    Fact: there is no newer version of Safari that will run on my machine. I need to be able to run MacOS Tiger because it supports MacOS Classic which is the only way for me to keep running certain applications I need for which there is no replacement.

    Don't abandon perfectly good older hardware and software. It is environmentally irresponsible to force people to upgrade and throw out old hardware.

  2. While we understand your pain, it's not irresponsible. Making WP smaller and faster means ceasing support for older browsers.

    You can continue to use your older Safari, however if you experience issues with functionality, you're just going to have to accept it.

  3. syga
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You could try changing browser to Firefox or Google Chrome, both of which are free, supported by WordPress and run on Windows and Mac

  4. fonglh
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    From what you said, it's Apple who has decided not to support older versions of MacOS with newer versions of Safari, thus forcing you to upgrade too.

    As syga suggests, try a different browser.

  5. RyanWilliams
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    This message is displayed to anyone with an outdated browser. I just got it when viewing the admin area in Firefox 4 which has only just been superseded by Firefox 5 — it clearly uses some kind of check to see whether or not your browser matches the vendor's latest version.

    I do think it's a little intrusive though as browser updates come thick and fast nowadays, and I don't need WordPress telling me Chrome is out of date every few weeks just because it hasn't gotten around to auto-updating yet. Hopefully turning these notifications off is a setting somewhere, if not it should be.

  6. Rev. Voodoo
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    It is. In screen options.

  7. I don't think it's checking to see if you're using the latest/greatest in a phone-home to the browser vendor. But FF 5 was a timing issue. it JUST slipped in under the wire.

  8. destinationinfinity
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You may not believe it, but I got a message from Google Webmaster Tools to upgrade to the current version of WordPress!! So, it looks like a chain effect :)

  9. sipeki
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    It looks like you're using an old version of Chrome. For the best WordPress experience, please update your browser.

    I Am getting this message even though I Am running the latest version of Chrome. Could it be because the OS is Windows XP?

  10. pubwvj
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    The attitude that we should just throw away the old for the latest bleeding edge is ecologically unsound and unsustainable. It is also lazy.

  11. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @sipeki

    I have the latest stable Chrome version 16.0.912.63 on an old XP machine. I tested it on two sites using 3.3, and I don't get the warning. Are you by any chance using the latest beta build instead of the latest stable build?

    @pubwvj

    Geeze, we're talking about software, not non-renewable natural resources - and certainly not software that is bleeding edge. It's just about alerting you to the latest stable versions of modern internet browsers. None of which you are obligated to use, by the way.

    I don't really think it's an "attitude" so much as just a recognition that all versions of software (and hardware) usually has a finite supported life cycle... but I think the only way any of that would be ecologically unsound or lazy, is if you actually decided to throw your old computer into the trash bin instead of properly recycling it. :-)

  12. sipeki
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @ClaytonJames I Am using the latest stable version of Chrome. Re-installed to make user that it was the latest version. Version of XP has the latest patches. When I go to the same site on my Mac with Chrome no message appeared.

  13. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I tried it again this morning from a different machine that runs XP and the same version of Chrome, but I still couldn't duplicate it. That is indeed strange.

  14. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I've seen this just once - yesterday on a client's 3.3.1 install when I was using FF 9.0. Didn't get the message on any other 3.3.1 site, so perhaps there's some sort of server-specific issue going on here as well?

  15. olyma
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi pubwvj. I've experienced similar issues with WP. I disagree with some on this thread in that the latest and greatest code contraptions are not always the best solutions, and may not be "faster" in the short-term or long-term by any means. And I quite certainly agree with you that not supporting old browsers is absolutely unsustainable.

    Some on this thread might be quick to condemn you, but for now, I'd recommend disabling the nag with a plugin such as:

    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tc-disable-browser-upgrade-warning/

    or if you are experiencing a particular browser specific incompatibility, due to support dropping out of core, WP is pretty dang wonderful in that someone else has probably written a plugin to patch it, or you could write a plugin to patch it yourself.

    Search the plugin section of wordpress.org and you may very well find just what you're looking for!

  16. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Actually, you don't need a plugin, or a ptach. Just go to your "Screen Options", and un-tick the box that says: "Your browser is out of date!", and the message won't show anymore. :-)

  17. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Oh - I just had a thought! I went back into the client site where I'd seen this notice to see if I could get to appear again. It wasn't listed in Screen Options. But my client has installed Jetpack. Is there a similar notice associated with that plugin (I never use it myself)?

  18. olyma
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @ClaytonJames Yes, that is correct, in older browsers going to "Screen Options" may be sufficient, but in some older browsers, I have found that the on/off options remain persistently on and the only way to turn them off is by using a plugin.

  19. ClaytonJames
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @esmi

    That is a good thought. I don't use Jetpack at all, so I have no frame of reference for comparison on that one.

    @olyma

    in some older browsers, I have found that the on/off options remain persistently on and the only way to turn them off is by using a plugin.

    If you can share exactly what browsers (and what versions) that's been happening with, it might be very helpful to others with similar browser warning issues. Glad you found something that works for you. That's the important part!

  20. olyma
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @ClaytonJames

    As I look at the WP backend code, it appears that the reason that the upgrade nag on/off switch doesn't work is due the switch-off being run exclusively by javascript. No matter the type or age of the browser, if javascript is off, the nag persists.

    There are many reasons one might surf w/o javascript and simultaneously use an older browser, a plugin simply makes sure the nag is gone, no matter what.

  21. jamie
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    why ? old browsers keep us back and means you can't add so many features, don't be a lame user UPDATE !

  22. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    There are many reasons one might surf w/o javascript and simultaneously use an older browser

    Can you please cite some of these reasons?

  23. RyanWilliams
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    • Government or school with aggressive security procedures such as disabling JavaScript
    • Person using browser add-on such as NoScript to block JavaScript unless manually executed after page load

    As for having an outdated browser, it's not uncommon for people to simply neglect updating their browser, or perhaps the automatic mechanism for doing so has failed for whatever reason and won't check again for another several days/weeks.

    In my opinion the nag is unnecessary. If it were only pointing out very outdated browsers such as IE6 and IE7 then fair enough, but if it's nagging people when they're only a sub-version or two behind then that's OTT I reckon.

  24. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Both of the reasons cited above are conscious, informed, decisions taken by users or their sysadmins. It is not up to WP to jump through hoops to accommodate the results of these decisions.

    it's not uncommon for people to simply neglect updating their browser

    Hence the nag.

    perhaps the automatic mechanism for doing so has failed

    All of the browsers that I've seen allow users to check for updates manually.

    Sorry but, personally, I've yet to see a compelling reason to remove the notices.

  25. olyma
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @esmi and @majamusan

    Another very good reason is due to one doing their computing on an older system that is slower. I personally know someone in this situation, who uses a slower older machine, they've told me that they will not browse the internet with anything greater than Firefox 3.5, and they use the portable version too with lots of bells and whistles turned off b/c the fully installed version slows their system to a snail's pace. And, they've said, most of the time they browse with Firefox 1.5 with javascript off b/c it runs so really fast and quick for them.

    I'll say that when my normal computer is ill or not functioning, I fall back on using a really old desktop computer, and I'll just say, it is really annoying browsing the web waiting for scripts of javascript to be completed by that older system -- and so the browser hangs. In that situation, I enjoy browsing with javascript turned off.

    To further this argument, I'd even go so far as to reiterate what has been stated earlier on this thread that not supporting old browsers is absolutely unsustainable. If you don't upgrade your computer you're saving mountains of global resources required to create a brand new shiny computer. Endlessly creating more and more advanced electronics to endlessly buy is simply masturbatory consumerism. I'm not against enjoyment, I certainly enjoy video games and the lastest episode of Glee, but that one MUST have the latest iPhone 4s, the hugest screen kadoodle pixel width TV, etc. and that you MUST UPGRADE NOW!!!!!! If you want to force your blue ball obsessions down everyone elses throats --- well you better just give up now, cause you can't do it, cause WordPress is so great and flexible and thus ---- there's a plugin for that. :)

    And so now people everywhere are clicking off the nag, they are turning the nag off with a plugin.

    [Final comments moderated., That was not necessary.]

  26. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Another very good reason is due to one doing their computing on an older system that is slower.

    Again, this is commonly a conscious decision.

    However, since you have now descended into inappropriate comments, I'm closing this thread,.

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