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nofollow should be an option (19 posts)

  1. suedkind
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Dear developers,

    I would like to know your thoughts on this issue.

    I read in some posts, that the nofollow-attribute has been added to the most current nightly. I haven't installed this version yet, so I have to rely on this information.
    The messages I read said that it seems to be hard coded in the source and it is no option the user can activate or deactivate within the admin interface.

    Since there is a big discussion whether this attribute is helpfull or not and who it might help, I wonder if it is possible to make it an option.
    In this case everybody could decide for himself if he wants to use the attribute or not.

  2. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 9 years ago #

  3. suedkind
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Yes I know this thread, but I read only you saying "I believe that a plugin is being worked on". This what I would like to verify.

  4. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Just interested: why would you want to turn off no-follow, unless you actually like people posting comments for the sole purpose of getting PageRank? I've heard all the arguments about how it punishes real commenters and I don't buy it. If you're really that concerned about their PageRank, add them to your blogroll and link to their posts. Simple really. I doubt most bloggers have vast amounts of PR to spread around anyway.

  5. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Anonymous,
    It's because people want control over their own sites. I don't believe that is something that any of us should question.

  6. awh
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    For example, if you moderate all comments, and personally delete all the spam before it hits the web, there is no reason to turn on nofollow.

    That said, nofollow should be the default setting on install.

  7. DianeV
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I vote for either optional or a documented way to turn it off:

    http://developedtraffic.com/2005/01/22/wordpress-and-the-google-link-attribute/

  8. suedkind
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I don't believe that this attribute will stop commentspam.
    They'll spam you / your blog anyway. Take i.e. the usenet, they keep on posting spam even tough most users are using software which is able to identify spam and prevent downloading spampostings.

    It'll only help Google and the other SEs to keep their PR-system alive. And maybe it will allow them to easily identify what is a blog and what is not.

    BTW: I have no problem with people posting interesting comments. If this additionally raises their PR, what's the point?

  9. DianeV
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    suedkind, that's my point, too. That, and that implementing a default way to devalue *all* links from my blogs means my links, and those of my visitors, don't count.

    I understand that people don't like blog spamming, but I'm not willing to bet either that implementation of the nofollow link attribute will stop attempts at spamming. It will devalue the links from my blog, and that is my point.

    It's like this: if I'm afraid my home will get robbed, should my solution be to ensure that I have nothing worth stealing?

  10. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    DianeV,
    It is likely you will see a myriad of plugins written to turn nofollow off. My current understanding is that v1.5 will have it on by default and a plugin will be required to change this setting.

  11. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    How about adding nofollow to the moderation or as an alternative , so that any unmoderated comment will have nofollow, but an approved comment would have nofollow turned off?

  12. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I'm sure that someone will develop a plugin to give you that functionality :)

  13. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    My understanding is that a plugin will be included with v1.5.

  14. Anonymous
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    would you mind sharing your source for that?

  15. James
    Happiness Engineer
    Posted 9 years ago #

    "...people who can intelligently make a decision regarding nofollow have the flexibility to modify the behaviour without touching any core code."

    http://blog.nuclearmoose.ca/archives/2005/01/27/the-inside-scoop/#more-232

  16. angsuman
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    [Cross-posting from another thread]
    You can use a plugin I recently developed to strip nofollow tags from comments and comment author links.
    http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/wordpress-15-plugin-strip-nofollow-tag-from-comment-urls/

    It actually prevents nofollow tag by unregistering a default plugin which does it. As for preventing nofollow in comment author link, it is forced to actually strip the nofollow after it has been added by a strangely named function. Interetingly there is no better way without modifying the core code in this case.

    This doesn't modify any WordPress code. It has been well tested with WordPress 1.5.

    BTW: I too strongly believe that nofollow should be an option and for some bloggers who proactively monitor their blogs. We say no to "nofollow" - http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/to-nofollow-or-not-that-is-the-question/

    Lets hope the authors of WordPress add nofollow as an option to core code.

    This really should be an option and not a plugin!

  17. Jinsan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Thanks for the link to the plugin, the more I read about it, the less it seems to be of use to actual bloggers and more to the search engine companies - after all it prevents spam from ranking higher, but it doesn't actually do anything for the site in question. Bots will be indiscriminate of their spam, so what benefit does no-follow offer? Perhaps I need a clearer understanding of it, but it seems to penalise legitimate links, which can only be a bad thing. If you configured, working spam protection, then do you really need no follow?

  18. angsuman
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I fully agree with you. nofollow is of benefit to Google and other search engines. It doesn't benefit the bloggers. I want to provide commenters on my blog some link-love back to their own blog. This is how the web works - we share, we help each other. And it also helps adding rank to relevant sites.
    My bones with nofollow is that it penalizes legitimate links along with the illegitimate ones as you pointed out.
    I make sure my blog is spam free, install plugins as required, monitor the blog. So I would never go for nofollow. Nor should anyone who actively blogs and takes steps to prevent comment spam.
    As you correctly pointed out comment-spamming is done in bulk. They don't care if your blog is nofollow compliant or not. Either way they will spam you. As someone pointed out before there are spammers who just want people to click on their site. They don't care much about google ranking. If 1000 people visit your site everyday chances are some will be in such a state of mind as to click on such spam and get their fill of p*n or v*a or whatever it is advertised. And that will happen irrespective of nofollow.

    I strongly think nofollow should be an option. Until then this plugin does exactly that in the simplest way possible.

  19. bens
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I think nofollow makes sense. Comment spammers really do appear to be doing this solely for pagerank, so if all blogs implemented nofollow they would stop. Remember, posting spam costs them bandwidth, so they aren't as indiscriminate as you think.

    I would be interested in having nofollow-addition be determined by user-level. Any authenticated user with level >0 should be able to post crawlable links.

    Remember, a functioning search-engine system benefits everyone.

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